Is Jesus God?

@InfraBlue,

No, you claimed "a dynamic between various interests within morality and moral behavior" that somehow makes "moral behavior relative". I dispute that as an over simplification of the wisdom of our creator. However, it is at the core of the serpent's assertion that humans would be better off setting their own standards of behavior independent of those set by God.

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@Enaj,

Enaj wrote:

Don't bother....you have the most closed mind of anyone I've ever known.
Always yelling "monster god, monster god.....on and on and on....you have never offered anything of substance here...but be a thorn in the side of Christians.

I have a very open mind...and I am willing to change views when I see it is appropriate.

The god of the Bible is a barbarian...a quick-to-anger, comically tyrannical, demanding, vengeful, murderous, petty god...obviously invented to protect ancient Hebrews from the barbaric, quick-to-anger, comically tyrannical, demanding, vengeful, murderous, petty gods of their enemies.

If it bothers you to have that pointed out...don't read what I write.

That is the way close-minded people like you should operate.

I, on the other hand, will read everything you write and will consider it.

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God seems very fair to me.. Smile

For examp, when he was about to zap Sodom, Abraham was worried in case decent men would get caught up in it as collateral damage, so he said to God-
“May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten [righteous men] can be found there?”
God answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it" (Genesis 18:32)

But obviously there weren't 10 righteous men there, so God wiped it out because it was a cesspit of perversion.
Same with other tribes and peoples, he had to cull them out of the human race too, to improve the human gene pool.

PS- the Sodom gays were the very worst kind of gays, nasty, vicious, militant, for examp they hammered on Lot's door demanding he send his male guests out so they could have them. Thankfully not all gays are like them; many are decent nice people.

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Romeo fabulist wrote:

Thankfully not all gays are like them; many are decent nice people.

Is that a pro domo sua speech?

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Romeo said: Thankfully not all gays are like them; many are decent nice people.
Timur asked: Is that a pro domo sua speech?

Sorry mate I don't speak Klingon.
Just to clarify- we all like friendly decent nice gays, but we're not so keen on the noisy nasty militant sort.
Neither was God, that's why he blew Sodom/Gomorrah away.. Wink

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Timur needs to sprinkle a few Latin phrases into the mix in order to affirm his intellectual superiority. He may be superior. But why tell us?

BTW, don't whitewash God's judgement against all homosexual acts.

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@neologist,

You certainly don't know that in some areas of the world it's common knowledge to use appropriate phrases in languages that are not vernacular.

They are, however, well understood and don't denote any exceptional skills.

But the American exceptionalism, associated with a rampant anti-intellectualism, leads you to that kind of belittling comments.

Which leads me to think that you are poorly endowed by nature, mind wise.

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Incidentally, there were ex-gays in the early Christian churches (1 Cor 6:9-11), proving some gays can choose to give it up if they want..
Personally I think homosexuality is a revolting thing, just as I think smoking, boozing and drugging are revolting too, I'm not singling out gays.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Absolutely! Being gay is a poor choice, to say the least. There are far more negative results of a gay-lifestyle than a normal life style. The scripture clearly states that God made male and female--not male and she-male!

Further more God has given everyone an opportunity to repent from his/her sins and this includes the queer life-style. God gives us time to walk away from our sin and choose to live in accordance with His Word. Remember no one that is an abomination, nor liars, nor the effeminate, nor truce breakers will inherit the kingdom of GOD!

That means all homosexuals need to consider if they really want to be a part of the kingdom of God or not. If they don't then may they carry one with their filthy ways; if so, they had better heed the Word of the Lord.

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@worldtraveler24,

worldtraveler24 wrote:

Absolutely! Being gay is a poor choice, to say the least. There are far more negative results of a gay-lifestyle than a normal life style. The scripture clearly states that God made male and female--not male and she-male!

Further more God has given everyone an opportunity to repent from his/her sins and this includes the queer life-style. God gives us time to walk away from our sin and choose to live in accordance with His Word. Remember no one that is an abomination, nor liars, nor the effeminate, nor truce breakers will inherit the kingdom of GOD!

That means all homosexuals need to consider if they really want to be a part of the kingdom of God or not. If they don't then may they carry one with their filthy ways; if so, they had better heed the Word of the Lord.

How do you guys come up with the notion that it is a choice????

I could not get sexually aroused by a guy under any circumstances that I can conceive of. It just doesn't happen for me...and I know many guys who feel that same way.

Just because you made the choice to make it with women instead of men...although apparently both sexes arouse you...don't suppose that all the rest of the world feels that way.

Some like me will only be aroused by the opposite sex.

Some, like the gays here, will only be aroused by the same sex.

And apparently some, like you two, are aroused by both, but make a choice. That does not mean it is universal.

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@timur,

See. I knew you were superior

You must be far above Mensa.

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@Frank Apisa,

It is not necessarily the homosexual inclinations that are sinful. It is the homosexual behavior.

Which, BTW, is sinful even when practiced by heterosexuals!

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@neologist,

AGREED NEO!

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Frank Apisa said: apparently both sexes arouse you

You talking to me mate? Careful, the naughty step...
I remember seeing an episode of 'The Untouchables' on TV in the early 1960's when I was about 14 years old where a mafia boss kissed a man on the lips (the so-called 'kiss of death') to symbolically let him know he'd been marked for execution, and it made my flesh crawl in revulsion, seeing two men kissing.
I felt the same when Michael Corleone planted a smacker on Fredo and I feel the same whenever perverted film/TV producers sneak in homo-kissing scenes to try to pretend it's normal, it turns my stomach!
That's because my DNA was hardwired from birth to regard homosexuality as distasteful, just as God does.. Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/gods-dna-church-sml_zpsd267b622.jpg~original

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo,

I could not have stated it better! We are in agreement on this subject!

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

It is not necessarily the homosexual inclinations that are sinful. It is the homosexual behavior.

Which, BTW, is sinful even when practiced by heterosexuals!

Ahhh...another one of those things that cause your god to be offended...and caused him to require humans torture and kill his son so that he can stop being offended.

And under any circumstances...I do not feel the inclination to engage in homosexual conduct. It is not a choice with me...I simply am not turned on by men...and the thought is more likely to provoke a turn-off than a turn-on. So your comment does not really apply...it is just something you folk do when you realize the passage is there...and you have to deal with it.

C'mon, Neo...y ou are more than this.

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

We start from different axioms, I can see that.
I start from the 'guess' that the creator is a God of love and that suggestions to the contrary must have a logical explanation. That took study and soul searching and continuous motivation on my part. All along, I have known the danger of 'wanting to believe', so I have had to constantly check my 'results'.

I have found that the ones who 'guess' as I do are fully in harmony with John 13: 34-35, having love among ourselves. Not that love does not exist as a matter of inborn conscience among all people. But, among JWs, the contrary lack of love is characteristically rare. All I need to do is participate with my brothers and sisters in any event to provide a touchstone, If you get a chance, visit one of our international conventions, just as an observer. Not only will you observe the love I just mentioned, you will also not observe a single scrap of trash left behind at the conclusion. There is truly no other group that meets the standard to the last.

In the world, violence against fellow believers is not considered unusual. Rather, 'collateral damage' is seen as somehow necessary. Show me another group and I'll study their message as thoroughly as I have the Bible.

Not sure what I am supposed to say to this, Neo.

Pick out the salient feature...and highlight it. I'll respond to that.

Otherwise...I know atheists who are fine, loving individuals...and who clean up after themselves. Nancy and I take nightly walks...and we often carry a garbage bag with us to pick up stuff left in the streets.

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WorldTraveller said: Romeo, I could not have stated it better! We are in agreement on this subject!

Yes, Christians are the children of God, so it's only natural they take after him and have his DNA.. Smile

“I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters" (2 Cor 6:14-18)

"..to those who believed in Jesus, God gave the right to become children of God, children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God" (John 1: 12/13)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/god-dna.gif

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@Frank Apisa,

The closed minded never consider anything that is said to them and you fit this to a tee, being that you are so repetitious and offer nothing of substance. I do read you posts, but sadly, it is a waste of time. All I see in your posts is someone who wants and is as disruptive as he can be. Not yet have you said anything of importance.
It would be good if there was a Christian forum here that was taken seriously, where there was good biblical discussions. But doesn't seem to be.

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Enaj wrote:

The closed minded never consider anything that is said to them

You are talking about religious people, right?

and wrote:

It would be good if there was a Christian forum here that was taken seriously, where there was good biblical discussions.

Why would one take the bible seriously, I wonder..

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