Is Jesus God?

Oh, come on! Frank. Being that God told them not to eat of that tree and that if they did they would die, how would they not know that disobeying him was wrong. He order them not to eat of it, and they knew that if they did they were disobeying and that was sin.

He told them that if they disobeyed that they would die. That is telling them that it would be wrong if they disobeyed. They knew better.

They could not sin?

Well then, they did the impossible? after all they did sin.

Maybe he writes in bold, yelling, and repeats it so much, because he is obsessively afraid of this dreaded God, and what He could do to him, and so is determined to convince himself that there is not God.

Frank Apisa said about God: ...a monster..

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Frank Apisa said about God: ...a monster..

Jesus said "Satan has bound this crippled woman for eighteen years" (Luke 13:16)
THERE'S your monster mate..

Satan in Gibson's "The Passion", always slyly lurking, scheming and sifting our minds to pick up on any character flaws and weaknesses he can exploit..

Nonchristians are easy meat for Satan, he uses them like ventriloquists dummies and puppets, he's a Puppetmaster pulling their strings to make them spout anti-christian propaganda..

What is the problem with understanding that Eve was deceived by the serpent and because Adam loved Eve --he fell for the deceit knowing it was wrong--women are beautiful with all of their curves and sudden stops.

Adam and Eve knew that God said DON'T eat of the tree ...

they knew that God said not to do it --but they did it anyway.

What would you call that?

After they did disobey, they understood even more the difference between right and wrong.

. . . Then why not let the couple KNOW the difference between right and wrong...KNOW the difference between good and evil?

They still could have obeyed or disobeyed as they would choose...but at least they would have the KNOWLEDGE of the difference between good and evil...between right and wrong.

Why did the god deny them that knowledge...and then punish them for doing something they did not know what wrong?

Sure, but there is a dynamic between various interests within morality and moral behavior that renders simplistic ideas of "good" and "bad" meaningless. Moral behavior is relative in regard to this dynamic.

Frank Apisa wrote:

. . . Then why not let the couple KNOW the difference between right and wrong...KNOW the difference between good and evil?

They still could have obeyed or disobeyed as they would choose...but at least they would have the KNOWLEDGE of the difference between good and evil...between right and wrong.

Why did the god deny them that knowledge...and then punish them for doing something they did not know what wrong?

Because conscience makes the distinction between right and wrong instinctively,

without the need for weighing options or ruminating over minutiae.

The choice to know good and bad amounted to permission to override the conscience.

To put it simply. God had implanted his moral standards in our first parents' consciences. They chose to reject those standards in favor of creating their own.

InfraBlue wrote:

Sure, but there is a dynamic between various interests within morality and moral behavior that renders simplistic ideas of "good" and "bad" meaningless. Moral behavior is relative in regard to this dynamic.

Why should we assume that the conscience given to Adam and Eve was insufficient to negotiate any 'dynamics' likely to occur? Let us not take a simplistic view of the Creator's qualities.

Your argument fails to consider what would have happened if Adam and Eve had not been influenced by the 'serpent'