worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 10:18 am
@neologist,
Neologist,

I am being factious with what Mr. Guru delivered to us. I already know what the scripture says but according to Frank we are all blindly guessing. To cut to the chase, I prefer to blindly guess if that is what Frank calls it.

I could give him infallible proofs from the scripture but I am sure he will disregard the authenticity of the scriptures. Therefore we are at a stalemate.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 10:25 am
@worldtraveler24,
Yes. But you do blindly guess.
You guess, because you have been told Jesus is God by someone you trust, that it must be so.
You guess in spite of scriptural evidence that Jesus was and has been given his tools by his Father. The difference in power alone should be enough to revise your guess.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 10:33 am
Quote:
WorldTraveller said:- There is only one way to heaven--JESUS CHRIST! He is the WAY , the TRUTH and the LIFE; He that believes on HIM although he were dead yet shall he live.

Good for you, Jesus has now spoken YOUR name to God with his own lips..Smile
Jesus said- "Say you're mine in front of people, and I'll say I'm yours in front of my Father" (Matt 10:32)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 10:36 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Good morning, Frank. It's still morning here, so I can say that.
I hope all is well with you and yours.
I was just looking at your avatar and noticed a bright beam emanating from your forehead.

It's blinding!

So,I guess that's your brain shining through, eh?

Just guessing.



All is well with me and mine, Neo. Hope the same for you and yours.

The "beam of light" is sunlight bouncing off an area of my head that used to have lots of hair on it. Now...only skin grows there.

Brains do not shine through.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 10:45 am
@worldtraveler24,
worldtraveler24 wrote:

Neologist,

I am being factious with what Mr. Guru delivered to us. I already know what the scripture says but according to Frank we are all blindly guessing. To cut to the chase, I prefer to blindly guess if that is what Frank calls it.

I could give him infallible proofs from the scripture but I am sure he will disregard the authenticity of the scriptures. Therefore we are at a stalemate.


It certainly appears you are blindly guessing that the "infallible proofs from the scripture"...are infallible proofs.

You are blindly guessing that "scripture" (which is to say, the written word of superstitious, relatively unsophisticated ancient people) gives us accurate information about the REALITY of existence...that it can accurately tell us that a GOD exists...and that it can tell us what pleases that GOD and what offends IT.


You are blindly guessing that "scripture" is divinely inspired. Purely a blind guess.

If you have anything that shows any of that to be other than blind guesses...offer it for consideration.

Or, work up the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that all this stuff you are asserting as fact...is nothing more than your blind guesses.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 10:54 am
If I read a golfing book that helps me get out of the sand trap, I'll know the book works..Smile
Likewise, all true Christians KNOW Christianity works by the transforming effect it has on their lives, it's a POWER thing and shows in their cool calm confident eyes..Smile
"Our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with POWER"- (1 Thess 1:5)
"Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty POWER" (Ephesians 6:10)


"My Christian faith has been such a backbone through so many difficult times. For me Christianity is about being strengthened"- Bear Grylls
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub4/b-grrylls.gif


"God makes His reality so obvious to us in His creation and in the little mini-miracles that happen everyday"- Becky St. James
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/chr-wom3_zps84bd548a.jpg~original


"To look out at this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to me impossible, it just strengthens my faith"- John Glenn
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/John-Glenn_zps2f7c8414.jpg~original
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 12:02 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
AMEN!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 12:36 pm
@worldtraveler24,
worldtraveler24 wrote:

AMEN!


Yeah...you two are the personification of what Jesus was looking for...what he was hoping would happen in his name!

http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/humour-blague/clown-jonglerie/clown.gif

worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 12:37 pm
@neologist,
Neo,
I have not accepted anything blindly. I have to say that it appears that the understanding of who Jesus is comes through the understanding of the scriptures not only the reading of such.

I know that if you are a witness, you indeed study the scriptures; in fact my hat is off to you for your diligence in studying the Holy Writ.

The only problem is that you refute the divinity of Jesus Christ when it is plainly stated in scripture after scripture. Your interpretation of the scripture is where the difference lies.

Isaiah 9:6- is so plainly stated (see below) How can you refute that the child that will be prophetically born IS GOD--Emanuel GOD WITH US?

How can you refute ALL of the following scriptures? If you need more I can give you more...

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us (WORD THAT WAS WITH GOD) make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Revelation 1:8 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isaiah 44:24 - Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

John 1:18 - No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Isaiah 43:11 - I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.

Isaiah 42:8 - I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Exodus 3:14 - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Hebrews 1:3 - Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Hebrews 1:1-3 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (Read More...)

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Acts 20:28 - Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:9 - Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

John 8:28 - Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

John 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Mark 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 4:10 - Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Matthew 3:16-17 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: (Read More...)

Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.

Isaiah 43:10 - Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Proverbs 30:4 - Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Revelation 19:10-11 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Read More...)

Revelation 1:17-18 - And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: (Read More...)

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

2 Peter 1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

James 2:19 - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Hebrews 1:10 - And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Philippians 2:10 - That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;

2 Corinthians 5:19 - To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Romans 9:5 - Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Acts 7:59 - And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

John 20:31 - But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 5:22-23 - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: (Read More...)

John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.

Luke 2:11 - For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Mark 2:7 - Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

Matthew 14:33 - Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 14:25 - And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

Matthew 1:21 - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Zechariah 14:9 - And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Micah 5:2 - But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.

Hosea 13:4 - Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.

Isaiah 63:16 - Doubtless thou [art] our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, [art] our father, our redeemer; thy name [is] from everlasting.

Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

Isaiah 44:8 - Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].

Isaiah 43:10-11 - Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (Read More...)

Psalms 110:1 - (A Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Psalms 100:3-4 - Know ye that the LORD he [is] God: [it is] he [that] hath made us, and not we ourselves; [we are] his people, and the sheep of his pasture. (Read More...)

Psalms 2:12 - Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.

Psalms 2:2 - The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],

Revelation 19:1 - And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

Revelation 17:14 - These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 4:2 - And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne.

Jude 1:25 - To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

1 John 3:16 - Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren.

Hebrews 2:9 - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 1:6 - And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Hebrews 1:1-14 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (Read More...)

Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 Timothy 6:16 - Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 - To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Colossians 1:19 - For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;

Philippians 2:6-7 - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (Read More...)

Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Ephesians 1:3 - Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:

Galatians 3:20 - Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.

2 Corinthians 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen. ([The second [epistle] to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, [a city] of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.])

2 Corinthians 11:31 - The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

1 Corinthians 10:4 - And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

Romans 15:6 - That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:30 - Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Acts 9:5 - And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 12:46 pm
Oh, BY the way--I just found some more scriptures that declare without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is GOD!

Neo, with all the Christian love in my heart it sounds to me that you are the one who believes that Jesus is a sub-Jehovah JR because someone you loved told you this. The scriptures teach something totally different. See for yourself:


Only God is our Savior (Isa 43:11)
Jesus is our Savior (Tit 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1)

God is our only Rock (Isa 44:8, Ps 18:2, 94:22)
Jesus is our Rock (1 Cor. 10:4)

Only God can forgive sins (Luke 5:21)
Jesus forgives sins (Luke 5:20)

God is our owner (Isa. 54:5)
Jesus is our only owner (Jude 4)

God is the horn of salvation (2 Sam 22:3)
Jesus is the horn of salvation (Luke 1:68-69)

Paul is a slave of God (Tit 1:1)
Paul is a slave of Jesus (Rom 1:1)
No man can slave for two masters (Mat 6:24)

God is the King of Israel (Isa 44:6)
Jesus is the King of Israel (Mat. 27:42, John 1:49)

God is a stone of offense and a stumbling block (Isa 8:14)
Jesus is a stone of offense and a stumbling block (1 Pet 2:8)

God was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Zech 11:12-13)
Jesus was valued at 30 pieces of silver (Mat 26:14-16)

To God, every knee will bow and tongue confess (Isa 45:22-23)
To Jesus, every knee will bow and tongue confess (Phil 2:10-11)

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worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 12:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank,

I could not agree more with you! You have the revelation finally!!

InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 01:00 pm
@worldtraveler24,
worldtraveler24 wrote:
The reality is that every man and women in this world is a living eternal soul that came from GOD. This is the reason why you talk about it--deep inside you hope that you are not right and that there really is a GOD because you need purpose in life--you need hope beyond this life.


No. The reason I read the Bible and read about the Bible is to confirm the fact that it isn't the word of any God, but instead is the collected writings of a bunch of religious nationalists and religious opportunists.
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 01:20 pm
@InfraBlue,
Infra,

Let me ask you a few simple honest questions:

Why are you so vehement about the non existence of GOD?

Why is it that it appears that you hate the idea that a God would exist?

Who is it that taught you that there is no GOD?

If there is no GOD why waste your time discussing it with those that do believe?

Why do you even bother to convince others that there is not GOD?


Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 01:29 pm
@worldtraveler24,
worldtraveler24 wrote:

Frank,

I could not agree more with you! You have the revelation finally!!




I am sure you agree with the sarcasm, WT.

You are a blind guesser...relying on the blind guesses of others who went before you.

I did enjoy the "...with all the Christian love in my heart..." bit. It actually sounded sincere.

Now...your gods want you always to tell the truth.

So tell us:

Do you KNOW there is a GOD...or are you blindly guessing that scripture can tell you there is one?

If there is a GOD...do you KNOW what that GOD expects of humans...or are you blindly guessing that scripture tells you what the GOD expects of humans?

If there is a GOD...do you KNOW what pleases and offends that GOD...or are you blindly guessing that scripture tells you what pleases and offends that GOD?

Be truthful now!

worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 01:45 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank,

I never thought you would ask! Please see my response below:

Do you KNOW there is a GOD...or are you blindly guessing that scripture can tell you there is one?

YES I know there is a GOD because HE lives in my heart and I have met HIM in Spirit. I used to be an addict and God took all of my additions away. No blindness here--just telling you what God has done for me. No medicine --no doctors--no science.

If there is a GOD...do you KNOW what that GOD expects of humans...or are you blindly guessing that scripture tells you what the GOD expects of humans?

We have to believe that the BIBLE is GOD's inspired WORD. If we don't then what it has to say about man and his relationship to God means nothing. Therefore, I am convinced that the Bible is GOD's word and thus must obey what it says and that would be the following:

The 10 Commandments :

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
Jesus confirmed all of these and additionally said that you must love your neighbor as yourself. (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you)



If there is a GOD...do you KNOW what pleases and offends that GOD...or are you blindly guessing that scripture tells you what pleases and offends that GOD?
Again, how else would you know what please Him if you don't read His word? There again, you must first believe that the BIBLE is the inspired WORD of GOD! The Bible is very clear on what pleases GOD and what offends HIM. Look above at the answer to question 2 and you will see what pleases HIM.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 02:02 pm
@worldtraveler24,
worldtraveler24 wrote:

Frank,

I never thought you would ask! Please see my response below:

Do you KNOW there is a GOD...or are you blindly guessing that scripture can tell you there is one?

YES I know there is a GOD because HE lives in my heart and I have met HIM in Spirit. I used to be an addict and God took all of my additions away. No blindness here--just telling you what God has done for me. No medicine --no doctors--no science.

If there is a GOD...do you KNOW what that GOD expects of humans...or are you blindly guessing that scripture tells you what the GOD expects of humans?

We have to believe that the BIBLE is GOD's inspired WORD. If we don't then what it has to say about man and his relationship to God means nothing. Therefore, I am convinced that the Bible is GOD's word and thus must obey what it says and that would be the following:

The 10 Commandments :

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
Jesus confirmed all of these and additionally said that you must love your neighbor as yourself. (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you)



If there is a GOD...do you KNOW what pleases and offends that GOD...or are you blindly guessing that scripture tells you what pleases and offends that GOD?
Again, how else would you know what please Him if you don't read His word? There again, you must first believe that the BIBLE is the inspired WORD of GOD! The Bible is very clear on what pleases GOD and what offends HIM. Look above at the answer to question 2 and you will see what pleases HIM.



So you are saying that you are BLINDLY GUESSING that "scriptures" informs you that there is a GOD (along with some vague feelings)...and further that you are BLINDLY GUESSING that "scriptures" informs you what the GOD expects of humans...and BLINDLY GUESSING that "scriptures" informs you as to what pleases the GOD and what offends the GOD.

That's what I thought.

So...we are 5 x 5 on this, WT...right?
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 02:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
If that is the way you understand it. What other sources do you use ?
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 02:28 pm
Quote:
Frank Apisa said: Yeah...you two [Romeo and WorldTraveller] are the personification of what Jesus was looking for...what he was hoping would happen in his name!

Thanks mate, , keep it up and you'll make Archbishop of Canterbury..Smile
WTraveller and me are kool, calm, unflappable, fearless and sure of ourselves-

"..as a Christian, thank God you bear that name....that you may stand firm in all the will of God, mature and fully assured" (1 Peter 4:16, Col 4:12)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 02:29 pm
@worldtraveler24,
worldtraveler24 wrote:

If that is the way you understand it.


What other way can there be to understand it? Particularly in light of the euphemism "GOD lives in my heart"...which is really saying, "I am guessing, but I do not want to acknowledge that I am guessing."

It's sorta like "I know in my heart" (which may have been your first choice of wording).

It just doesn't work.

Your heart is a pump. It pumps blood...that is its function. No god lives in there...you do not know anything using your heart.

You GUESS there is a GOD...and you GUESS that scripture provides a logical reason for that guess. Scripture also tells you what the GOD is like...what it expects of humans; what offends it; what pleases it.

You GUESS that scripture is correct.

NOTHING WHATEVER WRONG with guessing that way, WT...but there is something not quite right about refusing to acknowledge it.

I was a theist once. I thought that scripture told me what the god of scripture expected of me.

One of the things "expected of me" was to be honest...an extension of that "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" that you mentioned.

Which of us is being more truthful here, WT?

YOUR god demands truthfulness from humans...and I am being truthful, while you are fudging the edges...playing with the truth a bit.

C'mon! Tell us that you are guessing. It is alright. Your god never told you that you could not guess, but your god did indicate that it wanted you to be truthful.



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What other sources do you use ?


I do not understand this question. Would you please ask it in its full form...and I will respond.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2014 02:38 pm
Atheists and agnostics use an untitled book full of blank pages, that's why they can only come up with an assortment of blind guesses, hunches and airy-fairy speculations without any backup whatsoever..Smile
Spot the difference-

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