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Logicus
 
Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:29 pm
I have been struggling over this myself. What is real power? Sure, I mean you could be the guys with an army at your back with a whole bunch of guns, but in the end you die. So is immortality true power, but either it does not exist, or we do not have the technology to do that, so does that mean power, in itself, is shot-term? I would like to hear your views.
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:53 pm
@Logicus,
The only real power an individual has is to refuse to molded
by the spirit of this world.
Kudos for saving your family in the process.
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:55 pm
@neologist,
So you're saying that power is the refusal to be manipulated by society. That does make sense. Maybe power is more than that. Maybe power is reversing the positions and manipulating society. I'm still wrestling with the idea.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:01 pm
@Logicus,
The moment you opt to manipulate, you become a participant
subject to uncountable competing forces.
You have to mold (compromise) to effect change
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:06 pm
@neologist,
Everyone is a participant to competing forces. That's why power is trying to conquer the others and shaping them to your will. I understand that now.
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:26 pm
@Logicus,
POWER as an individual, or community?
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:28 pm
@mark noble,
In the end, isn't the individual that matters.
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:31 pm
@Logicus,
That's an entirely different question.
Be specific and I can answer you.
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:34 pm
@mark noble,
Individuals are they ones who build societies, but therefore, they can as easily tear it down. The power of the society may seem more powerful, but regimes fall everyday and you cannot rely on them. That's why individual power is the real power. An action of one person can be just as effective as a decision of a government.
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:39 pm
@Logicus,
'Butterfly-effect'
Everything is relative...
But, I can only respond to 'specific' questions.
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:43 pm
@mark noble,
Are you a relativist then?
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:49 pm
@Logicus,
Define 'Relativist'?
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 10:20 pm
@mark noble,
Relativist: someone who believes that there is no such thing as Truth, that it is all a matter of perspective and subjective opinions.
mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:25 pm
@Logicus,
Then No.
Truth exists, but only subjectively.
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:38 pm
@mark noble,
Well, yes.That's what relativists think. That everyone has their own sets of truths.
mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:50 pm
@Logicus,
Then how can there be a group of them (Relativists)?
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 05:58 pm
@mark noble,
They all think the same way.
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 06:38 pm
@Logicus,
Nearly everyone thinks and acts from the point of view of relativism most of the time. It's our way of sorting through circumstance.
mark noble
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 06:44 pm
@Logicus,
No 2 entities can think identically.
Logicus
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2013 06:44 pm
@neologist,
That is true, but maybe it is not the best way.
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