Reality - thing or phenomenon?

Oh please, write tautologies all your soul's content! I just find it odd. And you're right, this place is not for me.

In general I find that we agree more often than we disagree. But I judge you harshly now? How so? Just because I'm surprised that you can post the same one-liner day after day, after day after day?

I express myself too harshly perhaps...

I see a need to repeat myself...which comes via the fact that I am always responding to someone who has not yet "gotten it."

Can you give me some insights into why some people question that...considering it IS a tautology?

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I see a need to repeat myself...which comes via the fact that I am always responding to someone who has not yet "gotten it."

You know what they say about horses one can bring to water...

The attachement with previously held views, very strong including among those of us who profess "letting go" of such previously held views, and the fear of looking like a fool will ensure that 99% of posters will not change their views, at least publicly, in 99% of discussions. This applies to me too of course.

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Can you give me some insights into why some people question that...considering it IS a tautology?

It's not the tautology they disagree with (they can't). It's the idea that reality can be said to be objective. I consider that any tautology is an objective statement, in that by definition it cannot be untrue. But it also says very little. Saying "Reality is" is equivalent to saying something like: the definition of "reality" is "what there is".

But it doesn't follow from a definition that the thing defined can in any way be objectively described by anyone.

Trying to objectively describe reality is impossible - even for Frank.

You're the one who doesn't understand the definition of "objective." Give it up, you are only repeating foolishness. Different people perceive "it is what it is" differently; that makes it subjective.

So... why is everyone having such a hard time with the law of identity? Frank is right on the money when he tells us that, whatever is, well, is. If reality is something, it is that something, whatever it may be. Jesus.

Although Frank may not claim to know or believe this, he's still right. Whatever "right" would mean in a guessing framework.

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So... why is everyone having such a hard time with the law of identity? Frank is right on the money when he tells us that, whatever is, well, is. If reality is something, it is that something, whatever it may be. Jesus.

Although Frank may not claim to know or believe this, he's still right. Whatever "right" would mean in a guessing framework.

Frank does claim to know that reality is objective... do you have any comments on that?

And you're right, this place is not for me.

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And you're right, this place is not for me.

Well, I hope you stick around. I appreciate your contributions. It's not all about objectivity/subjectivity and tiresome tautologies. I was hoping to examine the issue from different angles with this thread. I was hoping that framing the issue in terms of 'the object of our experience' and 'the experience itself' would lead us to see that separating one from the other is an act of imagination.