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Reality - thing or phenomenon?

 
 
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 07:40 am
@Ding an Sich,
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"what exactly is wrong with capitalism"?


Maybe nothing. But there is definitely something wrong with how we relate to it.
We use it as a substitute for morality, even though there are no moral guidelines in or behind capitalism.
Capitalism is practiced like a religion these days. Economic considerations can't substitute moral ones, and yet they do so increasingly. This is what makes me say it's a religion.
It's how most of the world can starve while a few own everything.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 07:53 am
It seems my 2 replies to other posts won't show unless I add this post.... :O

(I made this post, then deleted it once I saw that my other posts were here, but then the 2 previous posts vanished as well.... Something needs fixing? Smile )
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 07:58 am
@Ding an Sich,
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Well... what is the cause of inflation?


The printing of more money without introducing more wealth to the system. The new money takes it's value from the already existing money, thereby decreasing the value of each unit.

Add to this the practice of interest at every exchange, and you have a situation where those that do the printing are owed all money that exists, plus interest.
So in effect, there is more debt than there is money to pay it. If all money was returned to the central banks tomorrow, there would still be more debt... This alone should be enough to make people see the fraudulent nature of the system.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 08:13 am
@Ding an Sich,
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Do you think there is a cure for capitalism? This seems to raise, or beg, the question "what exactly is wrong with capitalism"?

1. Its internal contradictions, e.g. capitalists and firm managers have an immediate, personal interest in keeping salaries as low as possible so as to accelerate concentration of wealth, while at the level of the entire economy, only high wages for the middle class can keep the economy going.
2. It's cyclical dynamics, since going from bubble to burst create a lot of misery for most of the population while those responsible for the crisis rarely feel the pinch.
3. Another key dynamic is the ultimate evolution of the system towards large trusts avoiding or purchasing the competition. If one includes some degree of fair competition between economic agents in the concept of capitalism, then capitalism leads to the end of capitalism.
4. Another issue dear to my heart is that the environment is used as if it had no value.

I could go on. And yes, most of these can be fixed or controlled through careful government regulation, provided the government is not controlled by the largest corporations... In the end, if one lets the economic system purchase and manipulate the political system, no democracy is possible, and this is a very current issue for most democracies.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 09:33 am
@Olivier5,
Good post. It seems we have similar views about this.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 09:41 am
@Cyracuz,
Agreed.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 10:10 am
@Olivier5,
Good post, Olivier5. It seems we agree on many things; would enjoy having a beer or two with you! Mr. Green
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 10:15 am
@Cyracuz,
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It seems we have similar views about this.

It's bound to happen once in a while... :-)
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 10:16 am
@cicerone imposter,
Me too, as long as it doesn't get too philosophical. :-)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jul, 2013 11:09 am
@Olivier5,
Not to worry; I took Philosophy in college, but that's one subject I rarely talk about. I think a2k is the first time, and that's after some 40 years after I graduated from college. Mr. Green
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Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 02:34 pm
Reality is the basis in which all things consist in.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:43 pm
@Logicus,
You wrote,
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Reality is the basis in which all things consist in.


Doesn't make any sense. What are "all things?"
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Planets. Truth. War. Dogs. Cats. Hurricanes. Pain. Fear. Love. Etc.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 05:13 pm
@Logicus,
Can you separate them between objective and subjective?
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 06:14 pm
@Logicus,
Subjective phenomena like mental up hold beliefs are themselves REAL or a part of reality at least as mental phenomena even when they do not describe or correspond to anything out there...say for instance I believe Mickey mousse is a real mousse, my mistaken belief is nonetheless a real mental phenomena I do indeed believe Mickey mousse is a real mousse, n that in itself, is being a true happening mental phenomena within my head...it is just a belief that almost certainly cannot correspond to anything out there but nonetheless the fact remains that subjective facts are themselves a part of reality...what it means is that ILLUSIONS per se exist even when they do not describe anything real out there...the confusion arises when we simplify n say illusions talk of things that do not exist. The illusion itself exits. Illusions are REAL Illusions.
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 06:19 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Like deitic-belief.
No matter how completely absurd the concept is to some, it is very real to others.
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Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 10:21 pm
@Cyracuz,
I see. Perhaps this is out of my league as well.
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NoName77
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jan, 2021 09:09 pm
@Cyracuz,
Reality, to me, is a things of itself, and the phenomena of Experience is imposed upon it, like a drive in movie theater, in a way. Or like Plato’s cave, in another, mutual but yet different way of application, which doesn’t reveal as much.

But the drive in, for me, explains a lot. The shadows of the ones moving around in the Light, are not part of the Actual Production, even though they may appear to move just right here and there. But again, if one does not understand these shadows are not supposed to be there, what sense can they make of the movie? One is at this moment left with a Cave scenario indeed.

We run into a problem again though, when we ask what the Screen is “supposed to” have on it? Who dictates this? Is it not the owner? Surely the people do not determine the what is on the Reel? Maybe their own Reel, but surely not the overall.

I make this claim not knowing the momentum of the people though. I could just as easily be stoned for treason, having revealed something that strips their narcissistic tendencies, lol. (Not a bash on the forum people whatsoever, purely theoretical:) )
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2021 07:51 pm
Reality is how we subjectively perceive our life. For us, it's 100% correct.
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NoName77
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2021 10:07 am
@igm,
The way I see it, how the subject Experiences the object, is determined by agreements held in the subject. So the object is the phenomena, as we were said to be made in the image of God. The reality exists, but our access to that perfection lies in the heart, the mind, the soul. Soul being a twofold entity, having access to the spirit realm and having the ability to form an experience of that spirit, is how I understand our current reality. The hive mind has become overwhelmingly materialist, and is dying because of this agreement, imo.
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