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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 09:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Zimmerman is a neighborhood watch member, and he doesn't remember the name of streets in his neighborhood?

Here's a map of Sanford, Florida. Not many street names to memorize - after four years as a neighborhood watch member.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/sanfordflorida012.jpg
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 09:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
"the law" in Florida is a very iffy proposition. I am not at all sure that zimmerman will not be thrown into a prison, but I am sure that if the law was sacred he would not have ever been on trial.
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 09:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Zimmerman is a neighborhood watch member, and he doesn't remember the name of streets in his neighborhood?

Here's a map of Sanford, Florida. Not many street names to memorize - after four years as a neighborhood watch member.

and yet his identifying locations was never a problem in this case Drunk
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 09:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
You don't understand much of the laws in this country. When one person kills another whose an unarmed kid, and there are no witnesses, you can be sure there's going to be a trial.

They already knew who the shooter was.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 10:07 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Actually, the prosecutions case rests on the fact that it is morally
and legally improper to shoot and kill an unarmed person.
O, really??
IF u allege that, then please cite & quote
the applicable statutory and judicial authority in support of your point.

I will await.





David
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 10:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You don't understand much of the laws in this country. When one person kills another whose an unarmed kid, and there are no witnesses, you can be sure there's going to be a trial.

They already knew who the shooter was.


according to Florida law there should be no trial unless the state can prove that Zimmerman is lying about taking the shot in self defense.

Oops, they can not. this trial was an act of abuse of a man named zimmerman by the state of Florida.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 10:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
You wrote,
Quote:
according to Florida law there should be no trial unless the state can prove that Zimmerman is lying about taking the shot in self defense.


How can anybody know it was in self-defense? Does the Florida law always give the shooter the benefit of the doubt? What a law! You ******* dummy!
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 11:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
the Florida legislature and the executive branch have been very clear what is justified self defense, sure they are fucked in the head, but prosecutors MUST FOLLOW THE LAW! Refusal to do so as we see here is abuse of citizens at the hands of the state.
Rockhead
 
  2  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 11:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
please discontinue speaking at me.

this is not debate, and you are an idiot...
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 11:32 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
please discontinue speaking at me.


Please, Rocky, that is so ******* dumb!. If you don't want people to address you then don't post.
Rockhead
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 11:56 pm
@JTT,
your opinion has been noted, jtt.

and **** you, too.
JTT
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:07 am
@Rockhead,
I didn't say '**** you', Rocky. I said what you said was ******* dumb.

But you understand and you understood the difference. You just didn't want to address that 'cause you knew it was true.
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revelette
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 06:45 am
@hawkeye10,
Zimmerman refused his Preliminary Hearing for Florida stand your ground law, it was his and his lawyers decision to go straight to trial.

George Zimmerman has waived his right to a pretrial hearing

There are processes and I am sure these defense lawyers for Zimmerman we have been seeing on TV are fully aware of them all.
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parados
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 06:46 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

No, it's not illegal for an armed person to shoot an unarmed person.

Leave it to Brandon to argue that murder is legal.
parados
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 06:48 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Leave it to David to argue that murder is only illegal if the person killed is armed.
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revelette
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 07:03 am
So far the defense is giving a lecture on self defense and why one should not presume anything or fill in dots. Wish he was around the night Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin.
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DrewDad
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 07:55 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

parados wrote:

Actually, the prosecutions case rests on the fact that it is morally and legally improper to shoot and kill an unarmed person.

No, it's not illegal for an armed person to shoot an unarmed person. Zimmerman was seriously wounded and claimed that he was in fear for his physical integrity, if not his life. If he was under a violent attack, then he would be justified. If he wasn't, then he wouldn't.

Actually, there's quite a bit of precedent to the opposite. Getting in a fist fight, and then pulling a gun or a knife has traditionally been really hard to justify, legally.

If this were just about anywhere other than Florida, Zimmerman would have a really tough sell to get people to buy his self defense story.
ossobuco
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:31 am
@cicerone imposter,
So, what does TNCFS mean?
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Thomas
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:45 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
If this were just about anywhere other than Florida, Zimmerman would have a really tough sell to get people to buy his self defense story.

True. Self defense is an affirmative defense in most American jurisdictions. Defendants bear some burden of proving that they actually defended themselves. Florida is unusual in that it's just a plain-vanilla defense there. (For a quick check, see the table of contents for the Florida Standard Jury instructions, under "3.6: defenses"; it distinguishes clearly between "defenses" and "affirmative defenses".) This makes the absence of self-defense just another element of the crime that the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

On a meta note, I suspect that this is the root cause for a lot of the disagreement between me and other correspondents in this thread. Most of my correspondents here are North Americans. They presumably look at this case with intuitions about self defense that they've developed over their whole lives in America, and that are correct in every state or province they have lived in --- just not in Florida. By contrast, I, being an immigrant, have no such intuitions. I knew I was ignorant in this matter. So I knew I needed to educate myself by searching the web for legal authority from Florida. And I never had any mental block against the insight that Zimmerman's burden of proof is absurdly low --- so low he'll probably clear it.
DrewDad
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 09:05 am
@Thomas,
I definitely appreciated the education on Florida law.

Now I can stay away from Florida....



Next up, defeating all of these idiotic Tea Party Republicans in Texas, so that I don't have to find a new state to live in.
 

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