The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@OmSigDAVID,

CI can not think that 87 percents of all whites kill other whites and the rest killed other racial groups David.

Lord talk about a zero population problem if that would be true!!!!!!!!

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306968/Study-finds-homicide-leading-cause-death-young-black-men--suicide-accidents-disease-COMBINED.html

More young black men die as a result of murder than those killed as a result of suicide, accidents and disease put together, a shocking new article has claimed.

The report, by a professor at Florida Atlantic University, showed that murder was 'by far and away' the leading cause of death among young black men.
By contrast, the article, published in the April issue of the American Journal of Medicine, revealed, young, non-black men of all ethnicities were also 'by far and away' most likely to die in accidents.

Charles H Hennekens, the report's author, called the findings - and his article - 'the new American tragedy', and described the death of so many young black men by murder as 'a devastating epidemic'.

He said black men were six times more like to die as a result of murder and seven times more likely to commit murder than their white counterparts.
Dr Hennekens also provided the shocking statistic that while only one-eighth of the American population was black, half of the country's homicide victims are black, giving them a reduced life expectancy of more than six years.

Citing figures covering the deaths of young men aged 15-34 between 1999 and 2009, the physician said there were 106,271 homicides, 85% (89,887) of them among men and 49% (52,265) of them among black men.

Even in states with relatively low levels of young black men being murdered, the figure still soared above that of those killed in accidents.
Dr Hennekens, of FAU's school of medicine, compiled statistics from several sources to write his article.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306968/Study-finds-homicide-leading-cause-death-young-black-men--suicide-accidents-disease-COMBINED.html#ixzz2nXyCEycs
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Hawkeye said: the use of lethal force was outrageous, and that it should have been a criminal offense.

Maybe, or maybe it was a misunderstanding.
I've been analysing Zims talkthrough vid again and he says he reached down for his cellphone in his pant pocket and that's when Martin punched him and got on top of him.
So it's possible Martin mistakenly assumed Z was reaching for a gun, felt threatened and punched him and jumped on him in self defence.
Or maybe Z was lying and reached NOT for his cellphone but for his GUN, Martin saw the gun and lunged for him in self-defence..

Here's the key 1-minute section of the vid and transcript-
0:35- I was walking back to my truck
0:40- He said 'you got a problem?'
1:05- I said 'No I don't have a problem man" and I reached to grab my cellphone...I looked down at my pant pocket.
1:14- He said "You got a problem now" and he punched me in the face
1:32- He got on top of me.

A couple of stills from the vid-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/ExIS/Zim-talkthrough_zps1656bd95.png~original

and stills from the police reconstruction animation that was played in court-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/zim-animA_zps7fb30d1d.jpg~original

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@BillRM,

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murder was 'by far and away' the leading cause of death among young black men.

That's because people, like George Zimmerman, contribute to that statistic when they racially profile, and stalk, innocent young black men and wind up causing their needless and avoidable death.

As one of his own jurors said, "George Zimmerman got away with murder."

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@OmSigDAVID,

David, We all know about your love of guns. You talk about them as if they are the replacement for your penis.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

David, We all know about your love of guns. You talk about them as if they are the replacement for your penis.

CI doesn't deal in facts. He prefers to make the personal attack.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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So it's possible Martin mistakenly assumed Z was reaching for a gun, felt threatened and punched him and jumped him in self defence.
Or maybe Z was lying and reached NOT for his cellphone but for his GUN, Martin saw the gun and lunged for him in self-defence..

I think that is what happened, and I think Zimmerman is lying and he reached for his gun. That's also why I think there was no "fight", I think Zimmerman had the gun out before Martin was on top of him and they struggled over the gun until Zimmerman shot Martin. There was no "beating" there was no "head pounding"--there was only a struggle over the gun.

Zimmerman would have had great difficulty getting his gun out once Martin was on top of him--he had the gun holstered on the side of his waist toward the back--particularly with all the things he claimed Martin was doing to him (for which Martin would have needed at least 6 arms). How he got the gun out was a big issue at the trial, because his version was not credible.

I think Zimmerman made up the cell phone story to cover himself, just in case anyone had seen him reach for something, and that he had reached for his gun. Zimmerman seems to have made many things up to "embellish" his story which is why it doesn't ring true. Why would he have reached for his cell phone at that point? The police were on their way--he had already called them. So what was he going to do with the phone, order a pizza? Similarly, his excuse that he had to get out of his truck to look for an address doesn't make sense--the complex has only 3 streets and he was familiar with them, and, at the point he claims he got out of his truck, one of the houses had the outside light on, which made the house number visible. He got out of his truck to continue stalking Martin because he had lost sight of him.

So I definitely think Martin was acting in self defense, because of Zimmerman's provocative actions. And the things you've pointed out are part of the reason I feel that way. You've actually looked at the evidence, and Zimmerman's story, with appropriate scrutiny, which I don't think the Zimmerman supporters in this thread have ever bothered to do.

I'd ignore the animation if you want an objective view of what took place. That animation is not the police recontruction of events. That's the defense animation, the defense presented that at trial, it's designed to illustrate Zimmerman's version of events--and it's designed to confuse the jury by misrepresenting the scene and suggesting it's factual.

The "witness" shown on that animation was not that close, and he didn't have a clear view of what was happening--the area was very dark, not illuminated as it is deceptively depicted in the defense animation. He mainly just saw arms moving downward--which could have been the struggle over the gun. He also testified at trial that he saw no head-pounding on concrete. In fact, all the evidence suggests they weren't on concrete, they were on the grass. Martin's body was not found on the concrete or right next to it. That was also a big issue at the trial that, again, raised doubts about Zimmerman's credibility.

The biggest problem, for the state, was that they couldn't find a way to force Zimmerman to take the stand to testify in his own defense. No way would Zimmerman's version of events have held up under cross-examination.

But, I think Hawkeye's point is that, whether Martin was acting in self defense or not, Zimmerman should not have used lethal force.

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@cicerone imposter,

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David, We all know about your love of guns. You talk about them as if they are the replacement for your penis.

LOL will I do not know about David penis and I will allow you and him to address that subject but there is nothing wrong with love of fine firearms any more then the love of fine cars or whatever.

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@BillRM,

Cars are not equivalents to guns. Guns kill with intent; cars don't.

You can't even understand the difference! TNCFS

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@cicerone imposter,

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Cars are not equivalents to guns. Guns kill with intent; cars don't.

Sorry guns have zero intend they are objects with no desire or intend of any kind.

My guns do not wish to killed and are not unhappy that they are only allowed to make holes in paper targets.

That is one of your many many problem that you used magical thinking as if guns was an evil ring such as in Lord of the Ring and are evil of and by themselves.

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@cicerone imposter,

C.I., these gun nuts like the idea of killing, they like the fact that guns kill. All the gun deaths in this country don't bother them at all.

BillRM will gleefully describe to you 10 other ways to kill beside a gun, because he loves talking about violence and killing people--look how he can't stop talking about brains being beaten out on concrete, he loves that violent image, maybe he gets an erection thinking about it. He can't face the fact that there is no evidence to corroborate Zimmerman's word that that happened, because then he'd have to stop promoting and repeating that gory image he loves. He relishes violent fantasies.

David's romantic attachment to guns will never stop. BillRM will never face the fact that his wife is much more likely to be killed by him, with one of his guns, than to ever be killed by a stranger.

Do you know in how many other threads they are spouting this same gun nut crap? This thread is just an excuse to do more of the same. They haven't looked at the evidence, all the evidence in this case. They couldn't care less about the evidence. They couldn't care less that an innocent kid was racially profiled and stalked. They couldn't care less if Zimmerman is lying and the jury was duped. They couldn't care less about Zimmerman. They don't have the slightest concern that, given the way he's been acting the past few months, that he might kill another person, or himself. They're happy he's getting his guns back.

You can't have a rational discussion with them C.I., because they aren't rational. They are obsessed with guns, and their need for them--obsessions aren't rational.

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@BillRM,

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

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@firefly,

I'd like to witness seeing one of those idiot's heads being banged against cement for just three seconds, because they believe they can survive it like Zimmerman. I want it done the way O'Mara demonstrated to the jury during the trial - for the exact period of time. That's all I want to see!

They could wipe off the blood, then go about their lives.....

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@parados,

Unfortunately for all the gun-nuts on these threads, they don't believe it'll be in their home or family. They are immune to rational thinking and/or common sense. They equate guns with cars. Go figure.

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@cicerone imposter,

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3qpZ_5nSbD8wyKpvKz5KZQE5dHidi2rdAg9bTxXG_1meZpNpXQA

Maybe I can get through your magical thinking when it come to guns by pointing out the work of arts that Samurai swords happen to be.

They was design to able to take heads and limbs off with one stroke and as late as WW2 two soldiers had a contest to see who could be first to execute a hundred prisoners by cutting off their heads.

The tens of thousands of collectors around the world do not used them to killed anything but love them for the work of arts they happen to be.

There are over 300 millions firearms in the US in private hands and far less then one percent are ever used against a human being just as Samurai swords are very rarely used to kill.

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@OmSigDAVID,

You continue to reinforce how stupid you are! I'm surprised you lasted this long.

If whites are responsible for 5% of killings - of all killings, it doesn't mean 100% of whites are killing. If 5% of all killings equals 650 (5% of 12996 in 2012), 87% of those were against other white people, or 565 of them. The balance (or the other 13%) were against non-whites (or 85).

Where did you go to school?

Here's some facts on white on white crimes.

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BY: EDWARD WYCKOFF WILLIAMS
Posted: April 10 2012 12:40 AM

The truth? As the largest racial group, whites commit the majority of crimes in America. In particular, whites are responsible for the vast majority of violent crimes. With respect to aggravated assault, whites led blacks 2-1 in arrests; in forcible-rape cases, whites led all racial and ethnic groups by more than 2-1. And in larceny theft, whites led blacks, again, more than 2-1.

The 5% example I used above is very, very, conservative. Even 50% would be more accurate.
As the saying goes, TNCFS.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Unfortunately for all the gun-nuts on these threads, they don't believe it'll be in their home or family. They are immune to rational thinking and/or common sense. They equate guns with cars. Go figure.

My thinking is base of a hundred years of my known family history and being around a whole shooting community for forty years where no one had ever been harm or harm anyone else with firearms.

That is not true of all my other hobbies as I have had friends who had died flying untralights and one friend who had died in skydiving.

I myself do not drive motorcycles but I had a co-worker with a young daughter to raised that killed himself with a motorcycle.

Having and being around guns is not an unsafe thing to do assuming you have the proper training in handling them.

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@cicerone imposter,

You seems not to be able understand the concept of per capital crimes or think we are dumb enough not to understand the concept as once more blacks young males are six times more likely to be victims of homicides and seven times more likely to killed someone then are white young males.

So as whites population is roughly eight times larger the black population in the US they are going to do slightly more of the homicides then blacks.

But the problem is still in the black community not the white community as far as off the scale homicides rates are concern.

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@BillRM,

You're repeating the typical white trash crimes about blacks, when the FACTS point to the conclusion that whites commit more crimes in numbers and violence.

You're pretty stupid too! You can't even figure out simple numbers.

TNCFS for all these bigots and yokels who has no concept of decency or understanding of simple math figures.

From Wiki.

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Minority defendants are charged with and convicted of violent crimes requiring a mandatory minimum prison sentence far more often, which contributes to the large racial disparities in incarceration.

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In the year 2007 non-negligent homicides, there were 3,221 black victims and 3,587 white victims. While 2,905 of the black victims were killed by a black offender, 2,918 of the white victims were killed by white offenders.

From Tim Wise.

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* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.

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@cicerone imposter,

C.I., you and I know that Zimmerman had only very minor injuries--the back of his head had two tiny scrapes--no bruises, swellings, no goose eggs, etc,
he had no complaints, or symptoms, of any concussion, subdural hematoma, etc. at any time after that night. And, once he wiped the small amount of blood off his face, he, and his nose, looked fine, as the photos taken in the police station that night clearly show. And none of Zimmerman's DNA or blood was found on Martin's hands.

There is nothing, in the way of physical evidence, to back up Zimmerman's story of having been beaten or of having his head pounded on concrete.

These gun nuts simply want a shooter to be able to say he killed self-defense, make up any cock and bull story, and have it believed, unquestioningly, by the police, and any attempt to hold the shooter accountable, they see as a "malicious prosecution". They want an unfettered license to kill.

And they're celebrating Zimmerman's acquittal because, for them, it represents that license to kill, even though the killing in this case was needless and totally avoidable. Needless deaths with guns don't bother them at all, and they've decided the child who was needlessly killed was no good anyway and deserved to die, so it's not exactly like Zimmerman killed a worthwhile human in their warped minds.

These sickos have no regard for the truth, nor any real interest in this particular legal case, C.I., it's all about the guns, and their support of the flawed self-defense laws that favor shooters, and give them permission to shoot, whether it's necessary to do so or not.

You're not going to get anywhere expecting them to be rational--they're not rational, they're obsessed with guns.

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