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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
firefly
 
  1  
Sun 8 Dec, 2013 06:21 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
Martin knocked him down with a sucker punch, and was straddling and beating Zimmerman to a pulp until he was shot. The beating part was witnessed by a neighbor

I watched the entire trial, Advocate, and what you are citing are not "facts"--they are Zimmerman's version of events. You are omitting all the state's evidence that contradicts those "facts."

This is Zimmerman, in the police station, right after the shooting. Does he look "beaten to a pulp" to you?
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_ll_120518_wblog.jpg

The last thing Rachel Jeantel heard Martin say, to Zimmerman, was, "get off of me," suggesting that he did not suddenly "sucker-punch" Zimmerman, but rather that Zimmerman was the aggressor, perhaps grabbing Martin's arm, and that Martin reacted in self-defense.

The witness/neighbor did not see anything clearly--the area was extremely dark. What he did see might have been Martin, acting in self defense, trying to protect himself from Zimmerman's gun by trying to hold Zimmerman's arms down.

Zimmerman was acquitted because he got the benefit of the doubt that he had acted in self-defense when he actually fired the shot--the state failed to prove it was 2nd degree murder. That doesn't mean the verdict reflects any truth about Martin's actions and whether he was acting in self-defense or "attacking"--it doesn't.


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Advocate
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 06:23 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Quote:

Z possibly saved his life when he shot Martin.


Here you are compounding your ignorance. You are something else! I think I'll have some friends in my office read your threads, many are Jewish-Americans and opposed to Israeli policies of apartheid.


Too bad you didn't follow the case. Martin was straddling Z and beating him to a pulp until he was shot. Didn't you see the photos of Z taken just after he was attacked?

It is too bad that you and the truth are strangers. I can see why you and Izzy, the excrement king, are great friends.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 06:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
every single thing we believe is sifted through our experience. you really are stupid.


CI might have his faults but he does not fall in the category of stupid. Now as far as you're concerned, that description might apply to you, Hawk. True, we do sift things through our experience but sometimes there is a cultural exposure which adds an additional dynamic to one's experience. If you are brought up in a racist atmosphere where you think minorities, and especially blacks as second class citizens, then you by default will instinctively typecast them through a prism of stereotype. You most likely see all black youth as hoodlums, but the reality is there are many middle class to rich African Americans whose offspring are well-bred, well-educated and would make you look like white trash. Just saying.

CI is quite an educated individual, one can see it in his writings. He's traveled the world over to expand his intellectual horizons. He is, in many ways, your intellectual superior! I'll admit he's impatient with lesser intellects, but heck, nobody's perfect.
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BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 06:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Show us anyone who has denied any law abiding citizen the right to bear arms?


That what on this thread you had express a wish to do for anyone that does not buy into Trayton being a murder victim instead of a criminal that was killed in an act of justifiable homicide.

I would assume that would also apply to the jury members that found it was justifiable homicide.
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BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 06:28 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
I think I'll have some friends in my office read your threads, many are Jewish-Americans and opposed to Israeli policies of apartheid.


What the hell does that have to do with this thread?
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BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 8 Dec, 2013 06:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How could he walk home when a aggressive crazy guy like Zimmerman is around to stop him?


Try moving one foot after another until you reach home instead of turning and attacking Zimmerman.

From the time line he could had been siting in his father girlfriend home watching TV instead of trying to killed Zimmerman on the street if he had done so.
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firefly
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 06:41 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
Too bad you didn't follow the case. Martin was straddling Z and beating him to a pulp until he was shot. Didn't you see the photos of Z taken just after he was attacked?

I sure did--here's one of them--taken in the police station right after the shooting. Does he look "beaten to a pulp"?
http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_ll_120518_wblog.jpg
The man required no medical treatment--not even a Band-Aid.

He had a bloody nose, as the result of a single punch, which may have been thrown by Martin in self-defense. The blood on his face looked dramatic, but, as soon as it was wiped off, by Zimmerman himself, Zimmerman looked fine, as can be seen in the above photo. His nose required no medical treatment. He required no medical treatment. There was no evidence of "a beating" or a "head pounding". Even the police thought he had exaggerated his injuries.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 07:05 pm
@firefly,
You can't talk sense to people who are deaf and dumb. No amount of factual evidence will change how they think or feel. Useless. I'm otta here; covering the same bull shyt.
BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 8 Dec, 2013 07:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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No amount of factual evidence


Like the wounds on Zimmerman and no wounds on Trayvon other then the one bullet hole?

Like the 911 tape and the witnesses?

Those kind of facts?

You know the facts that resulted in the jury finding Zimmerman innocent those facts?

firefly
 
  1  
Sun 8 Dec, 2013 07:23 pm
@BillRM,
Our legal system does not have a verdict of "innocent".

That shows how little you know , or understand, of the facts.

And, at least one juror has made it very clear she does not regard Zimmerman as "innocent".
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 07:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

There is nothing rong with stalking;
as honorable as looking up at the stars at nite.

David


Okay.

But this particular instance of stalking ended up with a young man shot to death...
I have no problem at all
in accepting Zimmy 's explanation of events.
Its not implausible. Decedent brought it on himself 1OO%.

David


Frank Apisa wrote:
It may not be implausible...but neither are any of the other
alternatives that have been offered here as possibilities.
It is a possibility that Zimmy will hit the Florida Lottery
for the biggest jackpot in its history (I hope he does),
but the existence of "possibilities" has no legal nor moral effects.


Frank Apisa wrote:
There is no way you can reasonable suggest that Martin brought
it on himself...and to suggest that it is 100% certain is an absurdity.
That is error, Frank; behold:

Timeline (based on my un-aided memory)
Zimmy 's naborhood is plagued by burglaries.
The beauteous (tho un-armed) Olivia
gets burgled by 2 blacks, and she is most distraught before
she flees the naborhood, in terror. Police arrest one of the burglars.
The other escapes; (I suspect travon). Zimmy befriended her.
He was sympathetic to her plight and he gave her a doorlock.

Zimmy patrols the naborhood against more burglaries.
He tries to be alert and conscientious in watching.
He organizes a naborhood watch, against burglary.
While driving in the area, he sees martin looking
at houses in the naborhood, apparently casing them
for burglary then or later. He calls 911 and he laments
that these punks always get away; he watches n follows
the burglary suspect. 911 operator suggests that he not
follow; he stops following, adopting 911 operator's wishes.
Zimmy loses sight of prowling/burglary casing suspect (martin).
911 operator asks for a more specific location for him
to tell police to meet Zimmy qua inquiry into prowling
behaviors. Zimmy mentions a Clubhouse and gives directions.
Zimmy dismounts from his vehicle in an effort to ascertain
his more specific location. While he is out, martin re-appears
and attacks Zimmy, knocking him over backward and slamming
his head on the cement. He has no way of knowing the severity
of each of the future impacts of his brain against the cement, nor
the permanence of injuries inflicted upon him so far and continuing.
He screams for help as loud as he can.

Zimmy KNOWS that the police are approaching the general area,
because he called them. There are nabors around the area.
Thay see the fight. Thay hear the screams.
Zimmy is not eager to commit crimes in front of the nabors
nor of approaching police whose proximity is un-certain
.



Zimmy takes out his feeble, ill considered, 9mm automatic and shoots martin,
who is seated on Zimmy 's central body mass and is slugging Zimmy,
MMA "ground and pound", so that he can brag to his MMA friends
of his beating up or killing a white.
Fortunately, the anemic 9mm slug only has to mosey along about 4 inches
to hit the attempted murderer seated on Zimmy.

Martin cud have avoided any violence by just going home, peacefully
when Zimmy lost him, or simply: DON 'T GET VIOLENT,
but he preferred "ground and pound".

He cud NOT brag as well about being non-violent.


THAT is how he brought it all on himself 1OO%, Frank.





Frank Apisa wrote:
The best thing to do is to laugh at your response. Laughing Laughing Laughing
I 'd never impugn your right to laff, Frank,
but that 's a private matter like brushing your teeth.

Enjoy your chuckles.





David


Glad you enjoy my chuckles, David...and I thank you for adding to them with this..."explanation."

As I said, though...there is no way you can reasonable suggest that Martin brought it on himself...and to suggest that it is 100% certain is an absurdity.
edgarblythe
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:00 pm
Let me see if I got this straight. Zimmerman goes to the store to get some Skittles for his mama to munch on her way to church. It's such a nice day he decides to walk. Then this thug in a hoodie stalks and attempts to mug, maybe even murder him. What can he do, under the circumstances? He reluctantly puts a bullet into the savage (wanton, I might add) attacker, wishing the whole time he could have been let alone to give the sweets to his dear moma. Makes sense to me.
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BillRM
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 08:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
As I said, though...there is no way you can reasonable suggest that Martin brought it on himself...and to suggest that it is 100% certain is an absurdity


Sorry the young hoodlum did bring it on himself by attacking Zimmerman as he could had been at his father girlfriend home watching TV at the time he was assaulting Zimmerman..
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Sun 8 Dec, 2013 11:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
OK; I dunno whether u took the time to read my posted timeline or not.

Regardless, I believe that it is obvious that if martin had been nice he 'd remain intact.
I have contrasted my personal experience with nocturnal
confrontation in NY with everyone remaining un-harmed,
in my demonstration of the fact that martin brought his death on himself.

U and Firefly have simultaneously failed to comment
upon the difference, upon the mellifluous harmony of my experience,
wherein I chose not to beat anyone's head on the streets of NY for bragging purposes,
as distinct from the experience of the violent and deceased martin.

This demonstrates the results of being nice, instead of being violent.
I think that counts for something.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 8 Dec, 2013 11:21 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
As I said, though...there is no way you can reasonable suggest that Martin brought it on himself...and to suggest that it is 100% certain is an absurdity
BillRM wrote:
Sorry the young hoodlum did bring it on himself by attacking Zimmerman as he could had been
at his father girlfriend home watching TV at the time he was assaulting Zimmerman..
YES, of course that 's true.
It blows the mind that the liberals don 't see that.





David
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 04:13 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
YES, of course that 's true.
It blows the mind that the liberals don 't see that.


What is strange and sad David is that in most ways both I and from what is known of Zimmerman, is that we both could be consider liberals.

I was shocked and outrageous that a President that both of us had supported had acted more like Sharpton then our President and ID himself with a hoodlum due to a share skin color.

This from a man who was raised in Hawaii one of the least racist state in the union by the white middle class side of his family and who a large percent of the white voters did not care what the hell his skin color happen to be in voting for him.

Lot of racism having been shown in this case but it is not KKK racism but AL Sharpton type racism instead and the Al type of racism is no more pretty then the KKK type of racism.

Just ask the three young innocent Duke white players who was turn on not only by Al Sharpton and Jackson but by 88 of their own college professors when they was charge with the gang rape of a black dancer/hooker how reverse racism looked to them.

I am proud that of the 88 professors not one was from the Duke science or the engineering colleges.

It would seems that being train in logical thinking is a good antidote to racism of any type.

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BillRM
 
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Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:03 am
George is going to need to exercise far better judgment in the women he picked just to start with.

Charging him with a crime is one damn sure way to be sure he does not leave Florida for Texas even better then pretending to be pregnant however and raised the price the GF can get for interviews by a news media that just love to attack George.



Quote:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511118/George-Zimmerman-framed-ex-girlfriend.html


By DANIEL MILLER
PUBLISHED: 07:18 EST, 21 November 2013 | UPDATED: 07:55 EST, 21 November 2013

George Zimmerman is being framed by his ex-girlfriend who faked a pregnancy in a failed bid to stop him leaving her, before lying to police that he had pointed a shotgun at her, it has been claimed.

Zimmerman has been ordered to stay 1,500 feet away from Samantha Scheibe at all times and hand over his array of guns after she claimed he threatened her and forced her out of their home in Florida.

She claims to have helped him after he spiraled into a deep depression following his acquittal in the Trayvon Martin case and has tried to kill himself multiple times, once putting a gun in his mouth and threatening to pull the trigger.


But the TMZ website reports sources close to Zimmerman as saying Scheibe told him she was six weeks pregnant after he made it clear he was leaving her and leaving Florida.

OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:25 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
George is going to need to exercise far better judgment
in the women he picked just to start with.
and the politicians he supports
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:42 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
As I said, though...there is no way you can reasonable suggest that Martin brought it on himself...and to suggest that it is 100% certain is an absurdity


Sorry the young hoodlum did bring it on himself by attacking Zimmerman as he could had been at his father girlfriend home watching TV at the time he was assaulting Zimmerman..


Interesting way of saying, "He should have just known his place...and stayed in it."
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Mon 9 Dec, 2013 05:44 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

OK; I dunno whether u took the time to read my posted timeline or not.

Regardless, I believe that it is obvious that if martin had been nice he 'd remain intact.
I have contrasted my personal experience with nocturnal
confrontation in NY with everyone remaining un-harmed,
in my demonstration of the fact that martin brought his death on himself.

U and Firefly have simultaneously failed to comment
upon the difference, upon the mellifluous harmony of my experience,
wherein I chose not to beat anyone's head on the streets of NY for bragging purposes,
as distinct from the experience of the violent and deceased martin.

This demonstrates the results of being nice, instead of being violent.
I think that counts for something.
David


Perhaps if I were to brag to you about not screwing all the latest hot babes in Hollywood, David...you might see through the notion that you did not beat on the head of any people who stalked you in New York City.
 

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