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The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 09:59 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I may have lost face, but you have none.
I'm only contemptible to people who show no respect for others - lives.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 10:03 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Strange attacking the supporters of Zimmerman as all being right wingers.

Zimmerman is not a right winger he even campaign for Obama during his first run to become president but I guess if you can turn a man without a racial bone in his body into a cold blooded racial killer turning him into a right winger is not all that hard to do.

Then you also had turn a mixed race Latin man with black blood into a white or a white Latin an the hell with the fact that his mother could not even sit down at some lunch counters in the south due to her skin being too dark.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 10:18 pm
@BillRM,
Well, it's been proven over the years that "right wingers are bigots."

From AlterNet.
Quote:
Ethnocentrism and the Right

In every country, the right is more ethnocentric than the left. Conservatives have more positive feelings toward members of their in-group and higher levels of patriotism toward their country. In the United States they are more likely than liberals to have a flag in their bedroom. On the other side of the coin, the right is more xenophobic toward other countries and members of out-groups. In America, the modern political era began when the Civil Rights Movement pushed the race issue squarely into the politics of the 1960s. During this decade, opposition to civil rights was a cornerstone of American conservatism. The Republican candidate in the 1964 presidential election, Barry Goldwater, made the fateful decision to fight against the Civil Rights Act. This historic piece of legislation sought to outlaw racial segregation, including—most prominently— in schools. In his 1960 book The Conscience of a Conservative , Goldwater wrote:

I am firmly convinced—not only that integrated schools are not required— but that the Constitution does not permit any interference whatsoever by the federal government in the field of education. It may be just or wise or expedient for Negro children to attend the same schools as white children, but they do not have a civil right to do so which is protected by the federal constitution, or which is enforceable by the federal government.

Although many Americans have been taught to see this debate in the frame of “states’ rights” versus “federal powers,” the universal issue underlying the political controversy revolves around interethnic relations—just as a substantial portion of politics do anywhere else in the world. The specific laws that states have disagreed on with the federal government have concerned racial issues, beginning with slavery. A more recent point of contention pertained to “anti-miscegenation laws.” Until the US Supreme Court banned these laws in 1967, some sixteen states in the American Southeast prohibited interracial marriages.
BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 10:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Well, it's been proven over the years that "right wingers are bigots."


So as you are a bigot toward mixed race Latin men you must be a right winger.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 10:34 pm
Ha ha, lefties think poor little disadvantaged black boy Martin had every right to jump on a Neighbourhood Watch white man and pound him in the face..Smile

WIKI- "Left-wing...a concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
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firefly
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 10:52 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
None of the anti Zimmerman theories seems to be able to hold water in any way.


The fact he's been arrested again, for menacing someone else with a gun, and is again claiming that person "went crazy" too...and this was his second domestic incident in 2 months, with 2 different partners, and the first also involved his making menacing gestures threatening use of a gun...

That sure does suggest that he tries to intimidate and control others with threats of using his gun. Why would he have behaved any differently when he confronted Trayvon? He wanted Martin to remain there until the police arrived, so he might well have put his hand on his gun. And that would have been the aggressive act that provoked a defensive punch from Trayvon.

I don't think his next jury will buy the crap that he's a meek, mild mannered, well intentioned, "good citizen." And he'd better pray there aren't 6 women on that one. Laughing

oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:05 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Zimmmerman STALKED Martin...wh

LOl we both know that you are using the word stalked to imply that Zimmerman was planning on attacking Trayvon and that the only reason you are in love with that word instead of the more correct word follow. that does not imply Zimmerman had any plans to attack Trayvon.

It should always be remembered that every single thing that Frank Apisa ever says is without exception always an outright lie.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:05 pm
@firefly,
Well, the jury might be made up of David, hawk, Bill, oraboy and two more bigots after Zimmerman kills one of their kids.

It'll be fun to watch these guys still advocating for Zimmerman's right to have guns and "hold your ground."
oralloy
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:05 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
let us be practical, Firefly. Zimmerman's supporters are trying to divert anti-Zimmerman posters from the humiliation factor, i.e., the indignity of egg in their face.

I am unsure what constitutes a "supporter", but it is unlikely that anyone feels any such shame.

After all, the evidence remains clear that Trayvon was getting ready to get high on PCP and then go break into neighborhood homes. It was only his choice to go up to Mr. Zimmerman and violently assault him that ultimately prevented him from doing so.

Mr. Zimmerman did a lot more than just save his own life. It is quite possible that multiple families are alive today because Trayvon was unable to carry out his latest crime spree.

At any rate, there is never any shame in defending the truth. That is something to be proud of.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
The first time one can understand their defense of this murderer,

Liberals refer to self defense as murder because they hate the Constitution.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Well, the jury might be made up of David, hawk, Bill, oraboy and two more bigots after Zimmerman kills one of their kids.


That comment kind of remind me of the death threats directed at the Zimmerman jurors children after the verdict of innocent became known.

Was you perhaps one of the assholes issuing those threats that for some reason Holder could not be bother to run down?

Perhaps poor Holder did not have the FBI agents available as he had them all checking to see if Zimmerman ever made a racist comment in his life dating back to early childhood.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:15 pm
@BillRM,
Your imagination is running on overdrive. You need to get a life.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Your imagination is running on overdrive. You need to get a life.


Not at all as you was the one to bring up the subject of having jury members children killed in a similar manner to the comments on line after Zimmerman was found innocent.

I also find it interesting that when some idiot dare to threaten Nancy Grace life he was track down and arrested within days but all kind of threats issue against Zimmerman, his family, his lawyers and the jury and their children and no one could be bother to look into them.

At least Zimmerman wife or ex-wife and his ex-girlfriend are now safe from being killed.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  -1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:20 pm
Zimmy might be suffering from traumatic stress disorder like soldiers get, and he probably has flashbacks and nightmares like this-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/black-gang1_zps480ba365.jpg~original
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:29 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Strange attacking the supporters of Zimmerman as all being right wingers.

Zimmerman is not a right winger he even campaign for Obama during his first run to become president but I guess if you can turn a man without a racial bone in his body into a cold blooded racial killer turning him into a right winger is not all that hard to do.

Then you also had turn a mixed race Latin man with black blood into a white or a white Latin an the hell with the fact that his mother could not even sit down at some lunch counters in the south due to her skin being too dark.
U bring out a good point; Zimmy is not a conservative.
I wonder whether he regretted his obama vote.
I was cheering in defense of the PRINCIPLE of freedom of self defense,
not as applied to anyone in particular. In line with your point, Bill,
it is worthy of note that the naborhood that Zimmy was protecting from burglary
was poverty-stricken. He was defending the poor, not the rich, from martin.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:31 pm
@BillRM,
You,
Quote:
At least Zimmerman wife or ex-wife and his ex-girlfriend are now safe from being killed.


You're now admitting that their lives were in danger from Zimmerman? LOL
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Well, it's been proven over the years that "right wingers are bigots."

From AlterNet.
Quote:
Ethnocentrism and the Right

In every country, the right is more ethnocentric than the left. Conservatives have more positive feelings toward members of their in-group and higher levels of patriotism toward their country. In the United States they are more likely than liberals to have a flag in their bedroom. On the other side of the coin, the right is more xenophobic toward other countries and members of out-groups. In America, the modern political era began when the Civil Rights Movement pushed the race issue squarely into the politics of the 1960s. During this decade, opposition to civil rights was a cornerstone of American conservatism. The Republican candidate in the 1964 presidential election, Barry Goldwater, made the fateful decision to fight against the Civil Rights Act. This historic piece of legislation sought to outlaw racial segregation, including—most prominently— in schools. In his 1960 book The Conscience of a Conservative , Goldwater wrote:

I am firmly convinced—not only that integrated schools are not required— but that the Constitution does not permit any interference whatsoever by the federal government in the field of education. It may be just or wise or expedient for Negro children to attend the same schools as white children, but they do not have a civil right to do so which is protected by the federal constitution, or which is enforceable by the federal government.

Although many Americans have been taught to see this debate in the frame of “states’ rights” versus “federal powers,” the universal issue underlying the political controversy revolves around interethnic relations—just as a substantial portion of politics do anywhere else in the world. The specific laws that states have disagreed on with the federal government have concerned racial issues, beginning with slavery. A more recent point of contention pertained to “anti-miscegenation laws.” Until the US Supreme Court banned these laws in 1967, some sixteen states in the American Southeast prohibited interracial marriages.

FOR THE RECORD: I know that Goldwater was 1OO% right
and I fully adopt his published position, as hereinabove set forth.
We know what the Authors of the Constitution had in mind because
thay said so openly and thay voted in accord with the principles
of very limited government that Goldwater mentioned.
Government was never granted jurisdiction to interfere in education.
These are historical facts. I stand by them.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Well, the jury might be made up of David, hawk, Bill, oraboy and two more bigots
after Zimmerman kills one of their kids.

It'll be fun to watch these guys still advocating
for Zimmerman's right to have guns and "hold your ground."
For the sake of clarity:
I have never advocated qua who can or cant have guns.
I have merely pointed out that this jurisdiction was withheld from government,
the same as government has no authority to make u go to Church
if u want to stay home and sleep. If W had believed that it was good
for "the general welfare" that we all attend Church, government STILL
has no jurisdiction to interfere.
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Romeo Fabulini
 
  1  
Wed 4 Dec, 2013 11:56 pm
The Lefty mentality, they hate everything good and honourable and decent.
Spanish Leftists Shoot Statue Of Christ
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Photos/SpanishLeftistsShootStatueOfChrist.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SpanishLeftistsShootStatueOfChrist.jpg
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 03:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You're now admitting that their lives were in danger from Zimmerman? LOL


Hardly but from people like you, as it would appear from your comments concerning jury members, who was issuing all the death threats against anyone that was near Zimmerman such as his family, his lawyers, his women and the jury and the jury members children that dare to find him innocent.

Now that those two women had turn on Zimmerman in such a public manner they should be safe from being murder in the middle of the night by such people.

His lawyers and his family and to a lesser extend the jury members are still not safe and now that it is known that he is once more disarmed he is surely not safe and I would not be surprise if he is not killed as a result.

He is in the same sad position as Salman Rushdie was at one point. One under threat of death for daring to exercise his freedom to write a book and the other for daring to exercise his right of self defense.
hawkeye10
 
  3  
Thu 5 Dec, 2013 03:57 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
CMR executive Chris Rumbaugh today said O'Mara and Shellie Zimmerman settled by paying a combined $30,000.

He said George Zimmerman refused to settle but that he had no plans to continue legal action against the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer.

Zimmerman was acquitted in Sanford in July of second-degree murder for killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in February 2012.

The 30-year-old Zimmerman is currently free on bail, accused of threatening his girlfriend with a shotgun and shoving her.

In paperwork he filed with Seminole County authorities last month, he described himself as indigent and facing $2.5 million in bills from his criminal defense attorneys.

After the fatal Sanford shooting, Zimmerman went into hiding and hired a series of bodyguards.

After he signed O'Mara as his defense attorney, they hired CMR.

That company is headed by Rumbaugh, a former undercover Orange County drug agent and SWAT team member.

Rumbaugh filed suit a year ago, accusing Zimmerman and O'Mara of agreeing to an elaborate security plan then failing to pay in full.

"I'm very professional," Rumbaugh said. "I did a very professional job. Nothing happened to them while they were under my watch."

O'Mara previously said that he and Zimmerman had paid Rumbaugh's company more than $40,000.

It was billing them more than $7,000 a week, he said.

The two sides had been involved in settlement talks for several weeks.

[email protected] or 407-650-6394.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-12-02/news/os-george-zimmerman-bodyguards-settle-20131202_1_shellie-zimmerman-george-zimmerman-former-neighborhood-watch-volunteer

this is what I mean about OMARA paying to represent Zimmerman, hopefully this is worth it in future billings, but being this guys lawyer is expensive.
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