The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@firefly,

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Incidentally I'm British as I mentioned, but I think I heard somewhere
that there are some white people in America called "nigger-lovers",
but I'm not sure what it means?

firefly wrote:

If you understand the English language, you should be able to understand its self-evident meaning.
It's a demeaning term, to describe supporters of black people,
that would be used by racists and bigots.

For informational purposes only:
HOW does one know whether
he is dealing either with a racist or a bigot ?

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HOW does one know whether
he is dealing either with a racist or a bigot ?

Don't you know that when you are winning an argument against a liberal you are automatically both?

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@coldjoint,

but which is which ?

Let 's get our definitions straight here.
Suppose someone says:
"The Japs get into M.I.T. in much greater proportions
than the whites because the Japs are smarter and thay work harder."
Is he either a racist or is he a bigot ?
Inquiring minds wanna know.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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but which is which ?

Those words are used so much they have lost their meaning. They are hopelessly attached by people that use them for an argument when they lack anything relevant to say. They are no more than a club used the way they are. Merely tools for people who would rather support what they think makes them better people. It just makes them lazy.

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"The Japs get into M.I.T. in much greater proportions
than the whites because the Japs are smarter and thay work harder."
Is he either a racist or is he a bigot ?
Inquiring minds wanna know.

If it can be proven statiscally it is a fact. There is no reason to look at anything else. Because those people might be Japanize doesn't change the fact itself.

So it is neither racist or bigoted.

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@coldjoint,

When I speak, I prefer to be accurate,
from an etymological point of vu.

David

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@coldjoint,

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"The Japs get into M.I.T. in much greater proportions
than the whites because the Japs are smarter and thay work harder."
Is he either a racist or is he a bigot ?
Inquiring minds wanna know.

coldjoint wrote:

If it can be proven statiscally it is a fact.

but is it a racist fact
or
is it a bigoted fact ???

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@OmSigDAVID,

Then attach the new meaning of those words to your standards.

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@OmSigDAVID,

but is it a racist fact
or
is it a bigoted fact ???

Neither. It is just a fact. Does colored water freeze at 32 degrees?

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@coldjoint,

I m accustomed to pointing out the historical derivation
of what I 'm arguing, in proof of what it means.

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@coldjoint,

coldjoint wrote:

but is it a racist fact
or
is it a bigoted fact ???

Neither. It is just a fact. Does colored water freeze at 32 degrees?

I dunno if different colors freeze at different temperatures.
Has anyone ever run experiments on that ?

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@firefly,

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This time, it's going to be much more difficult for the gung-ho Zimmerman group, in this thread, to try to justify his actions by casting blame elsewhere, or by trying to view them in any sort of positive light. Nor will continually re-hashing his murder trial, and the evidence in that one, distract from the fact that he's been arrested again, and we now have new charges that are the focus of legal proceedings against him.

I have yet to come across any evidence that this latest arrest has changed anyone's opinion about Zimmerman. Do you have some?

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

This time, it's going to be much more difficult for the gung-ho Zimmerman group, in this thread, to try to justify his actions by casting blame elsewhere, or by trying to view them in any sort of positive light. Nor will continually re-hashing his murder trial, and the evidence in that one, distract from the fact that he's been arrested again, and we now have new charges that are the focus of legal proceedings against him.

To MY mind, all that matters
was the successful vindication of the right to fight back
when presented with predatory violence.

I might note in passing that if a demented white jumped on a black
and beat his head on the street, then I 'd not (for any fraction of a nanosecond)
begrudge it to the black to do what Zimmy did.
The right to self defense is not based on race.
The right to self defense belongs to every person
of any age, gender or race.

I wud cheer for the black and congratulate his success.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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I highly doubt it caused him any financial harm.
is it your point to point out that EU laws give compensation to those who have had their reputations harmed for profit where as american law only compensates for provable financial loss? do we really need another argument that american law is substandard?

I think the point would be you don't understand EU or US law on slander and libel.

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@hawkeye10,

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This time, it's going to be much more difficult for the gung-ho Zimmerman group, in this thread, to try to justify his actions by casting blame elsewhere, or by trying to view them in any sort of positive light. Nor will continually re-hashing his murder trial, and the evidence in that one, distract from the fact that he's been arrested again, and we now have new charges that are the focus of legal proceedings against him.

hawkeye10 wrote:

I have yet to come across any evidence
that this latest arrest has changed anyone's opinion about Zimmerman. Do you have some?

That 's a good point.
Zimmy was involved in an act of personal heroism, rescuing some person or people, soon after his acquittal,
but that had no effect upon the people who hate the freedom that Zimmy stands for.

David

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@hawkeye10,

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I have yet to come across any evidence that this latest arrest has changed anyone's opinion about Zimmerman. Do you have some?
Your question is totally unrelated to the comment of mine you are purportedly addressing.

What difference does it make whether Zimmerman's latest arrest has changed anyone's opinion of him? That isn't what I was talking about.

Again, your comprehension difficulties are becoming more and more evident.

But I heard one former supporter of Zimmerman, a commentator on Fox News, declare that, "Zimmerman is more dangerous than Trayvon Martin ever was," based on his post-acquittal actions and run-ins with the law, and another Fox News commentator, and former Zimmerman supporter, say he considers him "borderline psychotic" now.

So, let me repeat--this time, it's going to be much more difficult for the gung-ho Zimmerman group, in this thread, to try to justify, or rationalize, the actions that led to his current arrest, by casting blame elsewhere, or by trying to view them in any sort of positive light. Nor will continually re-hashing his murder trial, and the evidence in that one, distract from the fact that he's been arrested again, and we now have new charges that are the focus of legal proceedings against him.

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@firefly,

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What difference does it make whether Zimmerman's latest arrest has changed anyone's opinion of him? That isn't what I was talking about.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/files/2013/11/zimmerman-cartoon-beeler-495x352.jpg

I see, so you are arguing that you cant comprehend cartoons. Got it.

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@OmSigDAVID,

The murder trial against Zimmerman concluded 4 months ago, and it has already been re-hashed, obsessively, in this thread. But it's over. Fini.

We have now moved on to another set of new legal charges against Zimmerman, which include aggravated assault, battery and criminal mischief, which may well result in another trial, another The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial--in a case having absolutely nothing to do with race, "predators", "thugs" or "hoodlums".

Those who wish to keep discussing issues of race, or the meaning of racial epithets, or wish to keep voicing racist statements, should do so elsewhere, and not in this thread. There are many other threads on the issue of race on this forum board, as well as threads discussing the general need for guns as self-protection.

George Zimmerman has been arrested again, and this arrest has nothing to do with race, or "liberals", or Al Sharpton, or Obama, or the black community, or the media, or gun-haters, or "hoodlums" or "thugs". And, according to Zimmerman's own "my side of the story" 911 call, in which he voiced no significant concerns or fears for his personal safety, it has nothing to do with his use of a gun to protect himself.

Some of us would like to have a serious discussion about George Zimmerman's latest run-in with the law. He's now accused of new crimes.

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@firefly,

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I have yet to come across any evidence that this latest arrest has changed anyone's opinion about Zimmerman. Do you have some?
Your question is totally unrelated to the comment of mine you are purportedly addressing.

firefly wrote:

What difference does it make whether Zimmerman's latest arrest has changed anyone's opinion of him? That isn't what I was talking about.

Again, your comprehension difficulties are becoming more and more evident.

But I heard one former supporter of Zimmerman, a commentator on Fox News, declare that, "Zimmerman is more dangerous than Trayvon Martin ever was," based on his post-acquittal actions and run-ins with the law, and another Fox News commentator, and former Zimmerman supporter, say he considers him "borderline psychotic" now.

So, let me repeat--this time, it's going to be much more difficult for the gung-ho Zimmerman group, in this thread, to try to justify, or rationalize, the actions that led to his current arrest, by casting blame elsewhere, or by trying to view them in any sort of positive light. Nor will continually re-hashing his murder trial, and the evidence in that one, distract from the fact that he's been arrested again, and we now have new charges that are the focus of legal proceedings against him.

Our efforts in supporting Zimmy
were actually in support of FREEDOM that we ourselves can use
if it becomes necessary. Zimmy was carrying the flag of liberty for us.
It was not personal (tho I 'd still greet him warmly,
and maybe offer him dinner n drinks, if I ever met him).

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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I dunno if different colors freeze at different temperatures.

I dunno either, it is the fact that somethings just are. And constantly trying to explain that is a huge waste of time.

In this case self defense and fear for his life negate any color you wish to throw in. And that is what should be taken away from this incident.

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