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Another reason to home school your children

 
 
BillRM
 
Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 09:06 am
If I was the man I think I would call the NRA and see if they would help me with a lawsuit.

Talk about going insane we are beyond insane and then even if the man had a gun how and by what crazy logic could they go from the girl seeing a gun and drawing it and the child having access to a gun in the home?


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http://www.therecord.com/news-story/2598150-man-shocked-by-arrest-after-daughter-draws-picture-of-gun-at-school/

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KITCHENER — A Kitchener father is upset that police arrested him at his children’s’ school Wednesday, hauled him down to the station and strip-searched him, all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.

Gun leading to dad’s arrest was a...
“I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Jessie Sansone, 26, said Thursday.

“I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school.”

The school principal, police and child welfare officials, however, all stand by their actions. They said they had to investigate to determine whether there was a gun in Sansone’s house that children had access to.

“From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child,” said Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services.

Waterloo Regional Police Insp. Kevin Thaler said there was a complaint from Forest Hills public school that “a firearm was in a residence and children had access to it. We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.”

Their concern wasn’t based on the drawing alone, he said.

Neaveh, the child who made the drawing, also made comments about it that raised more flags.

Sansone thinks police overreacted. He didn’t find out until hours after his arrest what had actually sparked the incident.

He said he went to the school Wednesday afternoon to pick up his three children. He was summoned to the principal’s office where three police officers were waiting. They said he was being charged with possession of a firearm.

He was escorted from the school, handcuffed and put in the back of a cruiser.

At the same time, other police officers went to his home, where his wife and 15-month-old child were waiting for his return.

They made his wife come to the police station while the other three children were taken to Family and Children’s Services to be interviewed.

“Nobody was given any explanation,” said his wife, Stephanie Squires. “I didn’t know why he was being arrested.

“He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake.’ ”

At the police station, Sansone talked to a lawyer who said only that he was being charged with possession of a firearm, Sansone said.

He kept asking questions. He was given a blanket and told he would appear before a judge in the morning to post bail.

“I was getting pretty scared at that point,” Sansone said. “It seemed like I was actually being charged at this point.”

He was forced to remove his clothes for a full strip search.

Several hours later, a detective apologized and said he was being released with no charges, Sansone said.

The detective told him that his four-year-old daughter had drawn a picture of a man holding a gun. When a teacher asked her who the man was, the girl replied, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

“To be honest with you, I broke down,” Sansone said. “My character got put down so much. I was actually really hurt, like it could happen that easy.

“How do you recognize a criminal from a father?’’

He said he thought he had good relations with the principal who offered him a job last year counselling students at the school.

“We’re educated,’’ he said. “I’m a certified PSW (personal support worker) and a life issues counsellor. I go into schools to try to make a difference.’’

After he was released, Sansone was asked to sign a paper authorizing a search of his home. He signed, even though he didn’t have to, he said.

“I just think they blew it out of proportion,’’ Squires said. “It was for absolutely nothing. They searched our house upside down and found nothing. They had the assumption he owned a firearm.

“The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing.’’

Scott, of Family and Children’s Services, said the agency was obligated to investigate after getting a report from the school.

“Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe.”

If there’s a potential crime that’s been committed, the agency must call in police, she said

“In the end, it may not be substantiated. There may be a reasonable explanation for why the child drew that gun. But we have to go on what gets presented to us.

“I’m sure this was a very stressful thing for the family,” she acknowledged.

The school principal, Steve Zack, said a staff member called child welfare officials because the law requires them to report anything involving the safety or neglect of a child.

The agency chose to involve police, he said.

“Police chose to arrest Jessie here. Nobody wants something like this to happen at any time, especially not at school. But that’s out of my hands.”

Sansone says he got into some trouble with the law five years ago, and was convicted of assault and attempted burglary. But he’s put all that behind him. He never had any firearms-related charges.

As for the strip search, Thaler said it was done “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.

“At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally,” he said.

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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 09:20 am
@BillRM,
was it a bad drawing? Canadians are often quite demanding in their art standards.
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 09:25 am
@farmerman,
This was in CANADA!?

I never dreamed they were as crazy as we are about this stuff.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 09:27 am
Farmer nailed it. Kitchener is in Ontario, Bill. Perhaps you don't realize it but Ontario is in Canada. Canada has rather more sensible gun laws than we do. As a result, Ontario is quite a civilized place to live. Cold, though.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 09:27 am
@boomerang,
crazier. I only assumed it was Canada because they mentioned Kitchener and Guelph
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 09:34 am
@farmerman,
Obviously crazier.

I was just reading an article this morning saying that more people have been killed by toddlers with guns than by terrorists this year in America...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 09:36 am
I don't say this to claim that bullsh*t was justified . . .

Several years ago, Canada tightened up their gun laws. There was a border guard at Windsor that i had seen often enough that we recognized one another. After that law had come into effect, i was crossing the border at night, something rare, and i saw this border guard, with a machine pistol slung from his shoulder. So i asked him about it, and he told me that since the law had gone into effect (at that point, a few weeks earlier), border guards had seized thousands of weapons which Americans had attempted to smuggle across the border. He said that just that evening he had searched a truck and found several dozen shot guns.

Since the passage of that law, there has been a dramatic increase in burglaries in which the obvious target has been firearms. Gun smuggling has become a serious big business. There was a big bust in t.o., one of those things where the police spend weeks or months getting their ducks in a row, and then execute dozens of warrants. They found what they alleged were three million dollars in drugs, more than a half a million in cash, and 40 fire arms. Those fire arms are worth a fortune on the street these days. There have been several major busts over the last several years for firearms, and bust for drugs which turned up dozens of firearms, too. Firearms smuggling has become as attractive to gangs as drug smuggling.

None of which denies that this one in Kitchener/Waterloo was truly loony.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 10:59 am
@Setanta,
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o i asked him about it, and he told me that since the law had gone into effect (at that point, a few weeks earlier), border guards had seized thousands of weapons which Americans had attempted to smuggle across the border. He said that just that evening he had searched a truck and found several dozen shot guns.


Interesting are American hunters no longer welcome in Canada?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 11:22 am
@BillRM,
you must get a non-resident license and in Canada you MUST use guides, mostly for your protection but also a revenue generator (Maine uses the same laws)
Guns are then permitted across or rented.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 11:24 am
You have to have your ducks in a row, too. If you show up at the border with a firearm and no permit, you can kiss your gun goodbye.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 11:29 am
@Setanta,
I was doing some research and the suggestion I ran into was that you should allowed three months repeat three months lead time to get all the paperwork in order.

Somehow I had a feeling that the numbers of hunters who will go through all the hoops are a fractions of the numbers that used to enjoy hunting in Canada.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 11:36 am
@BillRM,
Maybe, but my uncle and his sons in law went hunting and fishing in Canada every year, year after year. I suspect that having all the paperwork ready in advance would not have been a problem for them. If nothing else, the guides would want to make sure this were true, because their livelihoods depend on it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2013 01:11 pm
@Setanta,
anyway, a hunting party in Canada is relatively easy for a Canadian, its difficult for a non citizen. We do the same with foreign hunting licenses. Hell, we do it with "Out of State Licenses" for the 50 individual nation-states we have here.

Huntingmany beasts in the US is done by Lottery and the number of applicants far exceeds the number of available permits. You must get a license, and then sign up for the lottery to "win" a permit to hunt a moose, orwapiti, or western elk, or bear etc.
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