Did Jesus Actually Exist?

Oh darts!
Am I off topic again?

I do not know.

OK, I made enough for the 3 of us. Or 4. . Anybody else?

What is the problem with that?




I can agree that we do not have the omniscient part but if you are not trying to be logical through and through you will be lead to some crazy beliefs.
Without logical reasoning what do we have but far out beliefs. Even with our ability to use logical reasoning we still get many things wrong but if we only had beliefs we would be in a world of more chaos.

In your original post, I scanned the words "coffee" and "pot."

So which is it?

Which is more likely to take you where dreams are made?

Can't you have both?

I know the answer to that. I wasn't sure Neo did.

Yeah, but wine is a better substitute for one of them.

I think that that is a great way to explain how you personally feel...and I do agree with you...However, I would have to say that anyway one tries to subjectively explain...or justify a belief or experience that they have have...would probably fall short of how an incomprehensible mind would think...(God)

I use the word belief, because I think that it is easier for others to relate with what I actually mean...even if they would say they have none...You say the word experience...which is better...but I do not think it would be possible for a person to use any "man made word" to directly relate their experiences, because none of us can think incomprehensibly...and any word that is used, is not going to directly hit home for everyone else...in the same exact ways it had for us personally...not because they are incapable of understanding...but because it comes from something higher that is incomprehensible...So the only way they would ever fully relate...is if they had an experience from this higher incomprehensible God...similar...on in a way that God chose...because it is different to every person...and God personally knows everyone...and you are correct, people do try to explain these experiences or beliefs in their own subjective, justified, ways...

I think as long as one understands the meaning itself of whatever one claims these experiences are...or how or why they believe them...or how they categorically try to explain them...

Others know and understand what the other person intends...Even if they can not directly relate with the same experience...Or do not agree with someone else's...

Then I think that opens the door for what others have personally experienced themselves...and then may chose to close that door for whatever personal reasons...or helps open it themselves...because they desire to do so...

What is actually happening, and how God would explain it himself, or what God would call these experiences...Only God knows...himself...because God's thinking is incomprehensible...and nothing else is...

How was the party Spades? Was it great, are still coming down or do you have a hangover?




I think anything is possible as long as you "really try to disbelieve what you think you may know about it.

It was a good party mate...I did not have any alcoholic drinks mate...I will be back in a bit...

Do you see how I am not able to directly relate to God based upon your own beliefs or experiences...per se...but once you have said what you have...I was able to relate to God using my own direct beliefs and experiences?

Because it is not our own will, but the will of an incomprehensible being's thinking...and no one is going to know God in the same exact way...since he knows who everyone truly is like no one else does...or can...every way one explains their beliefs or experiences, is a subjective, justified way...

But it is God's incomprehensible thinking that enables us to make the personal connections...If 2 people are willing to do it.......

I think that there is truth to what you have said...because I think that disbelieving, stimulates what one does believe...and helps one formulate why they disbelieve, or freely chooses to believe "it"...and the outcome is still what one believes...but then they understand why they either do or do not believe whatever they are questioning...

Thanks for the song!

What was your favorite part of the song mate?

Mine was not the beginning nor the end but when he turned the music off at around 4:00...and he was free-styling or singing acapella...and you could hear what he actually sounded like, and he was listening to himself sing...

"Anything is possible as long as you really try to disbelieve what you think you may know about it."

Nobody has the slightest clue about how it's done.


Oh, so you do believe in logic, finally?

I had graduated before pot became fashionable in my area. I'm sure I would have tried it otherwise. So, coffee it is. Sorry, RL. This stuff will land you far from any dreamy state.

Oh I do hope that you finally get it but I do wonder if you are being sincere.

Would you like to take a test of being intellectually honest and being logically sincere?

I'm not the one who switched side over the course of a few posts on believing in logic and reason... You are.

Not sure what "logically sincere" means... Sounds a bit like "arithmetically moral" or "geometrically frank"... but shoot anyway.

That must be the lamest escuse ever to be sputtered on a message board... Forget about Spades. You insulted me the moment I showed up here. You're barking at every single poster here like a hysteric poodle (the sort your ID evokes) would woof at the top of her tiny tiny lungs towards any kid, postman, cat and pigeon in sight...

Does it fill a void of some kind? Is it reassuring? Or are you just clinically paranoid?