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Did Jesus Actually Exist?

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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 09:16 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Anyone who finds this topic worth debate is certainly welcome to do so.


I personally wish there were more takers. I kinda like Jesus, he was IMO one of the best sage ever to live. And he did change the world. Not too many people managed to do that just with words, a few skin-disease curing and a final self-immolation...
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 11:35 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

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Anyone who finds this topic worth debate is certainly welcome to do so.


I personally wish there were more takers. I kinda like Jesus, he was IMO one of the best sage ever to live. And he did change the world. Not too many people managed to do that just with words, a few skin-disease curing and a final self-immolation...


I am a huge fan of the message attributed to Jesus...love of one another and fairness to all.

I suspect we owe more to the people who first ran with the message (especially Paul) than to Jesus (or the people who were morphed into Jesus)...but I may be wrong. If there was one guy who did preach the message transmitted...he deserves all the accolades that have been sent his way.

"Self-immolation" normally refers to setting one's self on fire...which seems inappropriate to the death of Jesus.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 04:35 pm
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Did Jesus Actually Exist?


No the Jesus of the bible did not exist but surly there could have been someone who was similar without all the magic.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 04:49 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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Did Jesus Actually Exist?


No the Jesus of the bible did not exist but surly there could have been someone who was similar without all the magic.


You KNOW that how?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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You KNOW that how?


I do understand how it is difficult for you to understand that there is not a possibility of anyone or anything creating miracles but I do feel for you Frank. It is a long and complex road to travel to understand what I am sharing.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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"Self-immolation" normally refers to setting one's self on fire...which seems inappropriate to the death of Jesus.


Didn't know. In French it means primarily: religious sacrifice.

My theory is that Jesus decided to get tortured and killed, as a way to force God to intervene and start the big kaboom, at long last. That would explain his last words: father, why did you abandon me?

So if I am right, he died thinking he failed.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:09 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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You KNOW that how?

In the same exact ways that you pretend you do not know...

If you truly do not know...then it is impossible for you to think you know why and how others could not possibly know...if they truly think they do know how and why...and you claim you do not know...how and why...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:14 pm
The previous post was not even there long enough for me to edit the quote in and receives a negative vote? People need to grow up, and acknowledge other peoples thinking...the world is not yours and yours alone...gutless anonymous person...
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:15 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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If you truly do not know...then it is impossible for you to think you know why and how others could not possibly know...if they truly think they do know how and why...and you claim you do not know...how and why...


If I ever get a chance to smoke weed when I retire I would like to smoke what you smoke.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:16 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I just thumbed them both up. Wink
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:17 pm
@reasoning logic,
I guess you would not be smoking any eh mate? Laughing
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:24 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

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"Self-immolation" normally refers to setting one's self on fire...which seems inappropriate to the death of Jesus.


Didn't know. In French it means primarily: religious sacrifice.

My theory is that Jesus decided to get tortured and killed, as a way to force God to intervene and start the big kaboom, at long last. That would explain his last words: father, why did you abandon me?

So if I am right, he died thinking he failed.


Absolutely agree with that. He was expecting some sort of miracle to happen as he hung there on the cross. When it didn't happen and he felt life slipping away he assumed he had failed miserably in his self-perceived mission.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:24 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I guess you would not be smoking any eh mate?


You may not but I will when I retire. I will at least try it a few times.

It has been about 23 years since I have.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:27 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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When it didn't happen and he felt life slipping away he assumed he had failed miserably in his self-perceived mission.


His body was not in the tomb so it had to happen didn't it? Shocked
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:30 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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When it didn't happen and he felt life slipping away he assumed he had failed miserably in his self-perceived mission.


And yet, he changed the world... I guess that's a stone in Frank's garden: never rush to judgement.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:30 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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When it didn't happen and he felt life slipping away he assumed he had failed miserably in his self-perceived mission.


His body was not in the tomb so it had to happen didn't it? Shocked


You're certainly entitled to your opinion, rl.

(Btw, there's no magic trick to moving a corpse to another location.)
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:30 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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Absolutely agree with that. He was expecting some sort of miracle to happen as he hung there on the cross. When it didn't happen and he felt life slipping away he assumed he had failed miserably in his self-perceived mission.

But it can also be argued that that is what drinking of the cup actually was, when he was clean all over...and then had recognized what rising from the dead actually meant, how it was done so, and that he was going to do so, and how he could do so, and what it was going to be like to be the first...all as he died...correct?
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:32 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Then why did he ask why his Father had 'abandoned' him? What he expected to happen simply wasn't happening.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:33 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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(Btw, there's no magic trick to moving a corpse to another location.)


So you do not believe in black magic? Wink
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jun, 2013 05:36 pm
@reasoning logic,
Oh, I believe in every sort of magic imaginable. And if perceived facts contradict my beliefs, I stick with my beliefs. I recall a bumper sticker I saw some time ago, which said "Reality is for people with no imagination."
 

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