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Does the English voice sound natural?

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oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 12:20 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Mrs Thatcher's ideology (adviser, Keith Joseph) was to sell off public assets and privatise all she could. Bring in private capital, minimise public spending.
"Selling the family silver", it was called..by a Tory grandee, too.

But now, she is to be granted a political funeral paid for by the public purse.
Not voted for by the public, not even by Parliament, they sidestepped that. If they had chosen a state funeral, there would have to have been a vote.

So this is the ultimate irony, a private funeral with all the military trappings of a state funeral, paid for against their will by the public. It shows the contempt of the administration of the people they are supposed to serve.


McTag's loving using "for" around. If "for" is dropped, what is different in rhetoric and grammar?
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 03:09 am
@JTT,

Quote:
And I'll bet that you didn't even receive an invite, McTag.


An invitation, you mean? Wink
oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 07:15 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
And I'll bet that you didn't even receive an invite, McTag.


An invitation, you mean? Wink


Of course. One could not expect that a Thatcher-hating McTag has had the ability of even pretending to be sharing sorrow with Thatcher-loving men. Cool
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 09:53 am
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:

McTag wrote:


Mrs Thatcher's ideology (adviser, Keith Joseph) was to sell off public assets and privatise all she could. Bring in private capital, minimise public spending.
"Selling the family silver", it was called..by a Tory grandee, too.

But now, she is to be granted a political funeral paid for by the public purse.
Not voted for by the public, not even by Parliament, they sidestepped that. If they had chosen a state funeral, there would have to have been a vote.

So this is the ultimate irony, a private funeral with all the military trappings of a state funeral, paid for against their will by the public. It shows the contempt of the administration of the people they are supposed to serve.


McTag's loving using "for" around. If "for" is dropped, what is different in rhetoric and grammar?


It adds precision to the reference. "Paid by the public," "not voted by the public," "paid against their will," are ambiguous
even when read in context.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 10:37 am
@McTag,
Nope, an invite, McTag. You can still read I hope.


AHD
in·vite (n-vt) KEY

TRANSITIVE VERB:
in·vit·ed, in·vit·ing, in·vites
To ask for the presence or participation of: invite friends to dinner; invite writers to a conference.
To request formally: invited us to be seated.
To welcome; encourage: invite questions from the audience.
To tend to bring on; provoke: "Divisions at home would invite dangers from abroad" (John Jay).
To entice; tempt.
NOUN:
Informal (nvt)
An invitation.

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oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 10:58 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

oristarA wrote:

McTag wrote:


Mrs Thatcher's ideology (adviser, Keith Joseph) was to sell off public assets and privatise all she could. Bring in private capital, minimise public spending.
"Selling the family silver", it was called..by a Tory grandee, too.

But now, she is to be granted a political funeral paid for by the public purse.
Not voted for by the public, not even by Parliament, they sidestepped that. If they had chosen a state funeral, there would have to have been a vote.

So this is the ultimate irony, a private funeral with all the military trappings of a state funeral, paid for against their will by the public. It shows the contempt of the administration of the people they are supposed to serve.


McTag's loving using "for" around. If "for" is dropped, what is different in rhetoric and grammar?


It adds precision to the reference. "Paid by the public," "not voted by the public," "paid against their will," are ambiguous
even when read in context.


Cool.
I wonder why that is ambiguous.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 11:06 am
@JTT,
Yes. A verb. In this country, it is only used as a noun as a joke. Certainly, informal. To be avoided, in my opinion.

Odd this, because Americans are fond of adding -ation to just about everything else (transport/ transportation etc).
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 11:09 am
@oristarA,

Quote:
McTag's loving using "for" around. If "for" is dropped, what is different in rhetoric and grammar?


I paid the waiter.
I paid the money. I paid the price.
I paid for the meal.

Is this clear now, Ori?
oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 11:13 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
McTag's loving using "for" around. If "for" is dropped, what is different in rhetoric and grammar?


I paid the waiter.
I paid the money. I paid the price.
I paid for the meal.

Is this clear now, Ori?


Excellent!
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 11:34 am
@McTag,
Quote:
Certainly, informal. To be avoided, in my opinion.


From a guy who loves informalisms.

You might just as well said "in my pet peeve", McTag.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 02:58 pm
@JTT,

Take it down a notch or two, matey. I put a wink into my first comment.

And your own cut 'n' paste said it was a verb.

But I'm all for informality, and not taking oneself too seriously.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 04:37 pm
@McTag,
Quote:
And your own cut 'n' paste said it was a verb.


AHD
in·vite (n-vt) KEY

...

NOUN:
Informal (nvt)
An invitation.
oristarA
 
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Reply Tue 16 Apr, 2013 05:00 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
And your own cut 'n' paste said it was a verb.


AHD
in·vite (n-vt) KEY

...

NOUN:
Informal (nvt)
An invitation.


Yeah, I can't believe that McTag's dict would fail him. Razz
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2013 01:05 am
@oristarA,

I try not to read American dictionaries, Ori. They are misleading.

Wink wink denoting an attempt at humour.

Invite is used as a noun here too, but only in slang.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2013 10:35 am
@McTag,
But you must also remember, Ori, that slang is the lifeblood of language. The vast majority of any speaker's language is informal/nonstandard.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2013 11:00 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Guess what? Not all English speakers are American.


Guess what? Not all American English sounds the same.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2013 11:12 am
@Miller,
Quote:
Guess what? Not all American English sounds the same.


It sure sounds the same when your governments whip y'all into a frenzy. In fact, at times like this, US news outlets don't even wait to get quotes. They just use canned ones from previous frenzies.
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