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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 30 Nov, 2020 03:55 am
@crackedhead,
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I don't believe in those religions. It doesn't take religion to believe in something higher.
I was not saying you believed in religions, but you seem to believe what religions say about God. Where else did you get all those 'facts' about him?

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It takes religion to be part of human society to some people. It takes atheism to be part of a group. Either way, I'd think "God" exists more than what human beings in a group would call "God". Put easily, I'd think that God could easily exist independently of a "group think" being of God.
. So who said you had to join a group? And if you don’t join, why accept their cliches about God?

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Please explain to me why a real God would need to
be worshipped?
Again, you are taking religion's word for it.

Tell me What you mean by 'worship' and I’ll take a crack at answering.
crackedhead
 
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Reply Wed 2 Dec, 2020 10:01 pm
@Leadfoot,
I'm new here and don't know how to do the separate sentence box reply thing, so I apologize. So my summary is I don't think a real God would need to be worshipped. I'd think a real God is so perfect that it's creation wouldn't even acknowledge a notion of a God. Due to the fact that a real God's PERFECTION would disallow such a thing. A real God would create perfect creations, plain and simple. A human God on the other hand, would create worship. Just look at human history once.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 3 Dec, 2020 06:18 am
@crackedhead,
No sweat, it took me awhile to get quotes on A2K too. A little different depending on what kind of gadget you’re using.

But you didn’t answer my question.

I’ll take a guess as to what I think you mean by 'worship'. It's what many people do to the first person of the opposite sex that they 'fall in love with'. I know I did. It’s kind of a synonym for 'grovel at the feet of'.

FWIW, that is not what it is.

But let me know if that’s not what you mean, then I’ll give it a try. If you’re interested.

crackedhead
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jan, 2021 12:22 am
@Leadfoot,
Worshipping each other, like the worship of the opposite sex, or the same sex for that matter, is actually real worship. People actually believe in it because they can actually FEEL it in real life without a bunch of people try to make it FEEL like something else. Worshipping something that you can't touch, like God, seems a little...weird. Then again, religion tries to say such a thing isn't weird. As long as you touch the money and belief. Because those are the only two things in religion that can be touched and FELT. The cash and the mind of another person. Which is always for sale in a Godless world.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jan, 2021 05:33 am
@crackedhead,
Almost too much to respond to there.

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Worshipping each other, like the worship of the opposite sex, or the same sex for that matter, is actually real worship.

In a couple of ways, yes. The thing we value the most is the only thing we worship. And when it is our highest value, we have no choice but to worship it, it is an involuntary response. Whether it deserved that place in our values is another question.


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People actually believe in it because they can actually FEEL it in real life without a bunch of people try to make it FEEL like something else.
I get that. I hate being used for somebody else’s religious dump and told they are befriending me. In addition, the desperation to feel anything is pretty widespread, if that’s your point.

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Worshipping something that you can't touch, like God, seems a little...weird.
I highly recommend embracing your weirdness. In the long run, it will help you get where you want to go. YMMV.


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Then again, religion tries to say such a thing isn't weird. As long as you touch the money and belief. Because those are the only two things in religion that can be touched and FELT. The cash and the mind of another person. Which is always for sale in a Godless world.
Again I say, who said you had to join a group? People will let you down in a Godless world. They are not to be worshipped.
crackedhead
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jan, 2021 06:08 am
@Leadfoot,
Still haven't figured out the reply thing so I I regresssss

Anyways, you pretty much agree with me on half of my argument. The worship thing and the feeling thing. I can agree with you on those.

I don't agree with you on the whole embracing the weirdness thing. It's weird enough that words control people, having invisible things control you is...weird

The problem is that people are JOINING religious groups. Oblivious to the fact that the only reward is self gratification that will eventually turn to radicalism. Which will eventually turn into regret, one way or another. Which is the exact opposite of Jesus himself, would EVER want. I can write the real New Testament in two sentences. Don't worship what everyone is telling you to worship for the sake of yourself. And sacrifice yourself for literally everyone, no matter how much it sucks for you. That is the story of Jesus, literally.

Maybe people should quit raping Christianity. Quit making things about nationalism, and power, and money. Things people defiled Christianity with as nothing but a RECRUITING center. No, religion now days is so corporatized, it pretty much proves how much Jesus failed while on this Earth. Now we have a billion people believing in something that their own religion failed them on. I'm sure that's going to end well.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 4 Jan, 2021 06:47 pm
@crackedhead,
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I can write the real New Testament in two sentences. Don't worship what everyone is telling you to worship for the sake of yourself. And sacrifice yourself for literally everyone, no matter how much it sucks for you. That is the story of Jesus, literally.
That is close to what religion often says too, but it is a lie. I think JC summed up the old and New Testament far better. He said:

“Love God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love others as you love yourself. On these two things hang all the law and all the prophets.”

You gotta lose your fixation on religion if you ever hope to find the truth.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2021 03:01 am
@Leadfoot,
Jasper Carrot never said that.

Listen to the words of Funky Moped more carefully next time.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jan, 2021 04:26 am
@izzythepush,
Must be a different white boy. The one I meant rides a Triumph. His Dad's ride is a silver Thunderbird.
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Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:00 am
@izzythepush,
Ah! I knew you were friends with Jasper Carrot!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2021 10:48 am
@Albuquerque,
I’m surprised you’ve heard of him.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2021 11:47 am
@izzythepush,
He came to me in a dream after a few glasses of old whiskey!... Wink
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Galli
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2021 10:41 am
@reasoning logic,
there is no proves defining that all religions are wrong like there is no proves that God exist. Atheism should be a result of an analysis of facts and not an induction to believe, the sentence BELIEVE BY FAITH is some thing that should be banned to a logical person, we need to understand to accept some thing
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 01:19 pm
@Galli,
Well, the Dude himself said “Blessed is he who believes and understands.

The book ought to be required reading before shooting off your mouth about it.
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Galli
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2021 02:50 pm
@reasoning logic,
In my opinion, I am an atheist agnostic meaning that, if you are able to provide me with a concrete reason that God exist of factual facts that a religion is based in concrete facts, I will eager change my point of view.
However, taking in consideration the catholic one, the main principle is to BELIEVE FOR FAITH and this fails at the same level of the story THE RED RIDING HOOD
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Galli
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jan, 2021 10:03 am
@reasoning logic,
Just a few words,you are mentioning RELIGIONSSS, then how can be two different religions right ? Let's say one immortalize Jesus Christ and the other Budda it is already a conflicting evidences in both believes.
I might be wrong but the religion and no matter which religions is only an abstract concept used by human being to believe in some thing higher than themselves.
Of course that there is no way to prove it but there is no way to convalidate that a specific religion is the real one.
This is only my point of view but, if you do believe in a specific God and religion, it is perfect for yourself but do not debate this issue for the simple reason you do not have consistent proves in what you do believe
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jan, 2021 07:25 am
@Galli,
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do not debate this issue for the simple reason you do not have consistent proves in what you do believe

Another way of saying just STFU about it? Sounds real productive.
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