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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 04:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Also, study Charles Darwin's finches: Proof of evolution.

Yep, if my pecker gets any bigger, I’ll be proof of evolution too.
nacredambition
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 05:41 am
@Leadfoot,
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Yep, if my pecker gets any bigger, I’ll be proof of evolution too.


You aren't even in the running for biggest here.

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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?


The best way to be sure would be to ask yourself if you are that stupid.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 08:30 am
@nacredambition,
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You aren't even in the running for biggest here

Let’s compare. You first. It’s about time for dickpics on A2K.
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NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 12:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Carbon data has been shown to be inaccurate for fossils that are not relatively recent.
Tibbir
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2020 06:10 pm
@reasoning logic,
The simple answer is we cannot.

But I never liked simple.

There is one and only one correct faith.

That is the belief in the truth, whatever that truth is. Whether there is one God many gods or no gods. It may contain many beings we have no words for. It also includes some laws of physics that may not even be based on mathematics, it just happens that statistically, the results appear mathematical.

We do not know, but the truth is out there whatever it is and it is true.

So it is possible in fact it is unavoidable that there is one totally and utterly correct faith a belief in what is true.

The trouble is with our very limited experience and the impossibility of ever us observing the whole of the truth, it is very unlikely that any human has ever come close to having a way of knowing what is true.

So my next question is: when does a faith become a religion? Indeed can a faith be a religion?

Can you have a religion with no members?
If you can then there must one correct religion, with probably no members.

However, that is not the usual definition of a religion.

What is meant by "a religion"? To my mind, a religion is a political organisation of people to encourage people to meet and follow a faith which is usually written down in one or more documents.

(Often including beliefs about the number of divine beings there are and what their names are and why that matters to us and why it matters to them and how that affects how we should live. Although all of the above components are optional, so expanding on this list is a waste of space.)

Although one of my good friends claims to be a member of the dreadful spaghetti monster religion which is a religion I believe of one member. He does this basically because it does not tie him to a particular set of morals and he can make it up as he goes along.

An excellently simple religion and with very little risk of causing religious wars.

So in my understanding "a religion" is just a political organisation based around some doctrine. Which boils down to a political party of some sort.

Can a political organisation have the attribute of being wrong?

I would say no.

The political organisation is not wrong some of their ideas may be wrong.

Their doctrine unless they happen by pure luck happened to have stumbled on to the one true faith are likely to be wrong in several aspects of their faith.

But it does not mean that meeting to share that doctrine is wrong, it may be misguided but it is not logically wrong. Logic does not come into it.

We could found the Wrong religion. That has the Tenet. We must discuss and debate the fact that our understanding of the universe is wrong. Why it is wrong and discuss if there is anything we can do about it. It would be probably the best bet for us to find the one true religion as we might just happen to work out a few things that are undisputedly true, which would be a step in the right direction.

So there may be one Wrong religion if that is the political goal of the religion.

To a certain extent, whatever is believed will always be wrong because we are not omniscient.

However, to a certain extent, almost all religions have a lot of correct beliefs.
1. We are Human.
2. Life is a mystery.
3. We need a code of conduct to live by.

Even if we all bicker about the details.

I do not think you can say any religion is wrong. because political organisations can not be wrong. They may be broken; dysfunctional; unsuccessful; very successful but not wrong.

I think you could say the beliefs of a religion are wrong.
However, there are very few, bordering on the exceedingly probably non-existent, utterances made by any human about the whole of existence or even small parts of existence that are 100% accurate because we are not omniscient. There is a lot we just do not know so we make mistakes all the time.

So you can say that about almost any statement.

However, there is one sense that most of the well-known religions are right.

Most well-known religions and a few others have served their cultures for millennia.

They have been useful tools supporting community's needs for a very long time. In that moral sense, I would say most religions are morally right, in the sense that they are useful and helpful and support us.

Having said that several commit human sacrifice: Satanists; certain Hindu sects; the Baals; the Incas; the Norse Gods; the Roman gods. These cultures have died out or gone underground or have exceedingly few members.

Evolution has its toll on religions and cultures as much on individual animals. The evolution of religions is a lot faster than with animals because we can change our mind and learn.

The most successful religion by far is Christianity with 2.4 billion members because it gives many more benefits to its followers than any other belief system. The Muslims come a relatively close second with 1.7 billion.

However, most Christians think that there is a thing called the Universal Church made up of all the Christians from all denominations, even if they disagree with the details of their customs and beliefs. There are only a few very small minority groups who still kill heretics. Most of the heretic burning has died a death as a bad idea.

However, the Muslim religion has been broken down the middle between the Sunni and the Shiite since the death of Mohmed the prophet. Muslims are much more likely to fight another Muslim about their beliefs than anyone else. The IS and the Taliban still kill other non-believers and heretics for being wrong. It is also a capital offence for a Muslim to stop being a Muslim.

On the other hand, Christianity is a completely voluntary organisation. The Christian religion as a political organisation is far more powerful and more successful than the USA and China put together.

So as political organisations they are exceedingly successful. Most businessmen think that success implies you got it right. So in that sense, I would say Christianity got it right because it is the most successful

Does that make the beliefs logically true? Of course not, but most people find them the most useful.

Some claim that there are, logical proofs that Yahweh exists. So Christians may be the closest to being logically right too. Although disagreeing about almost the whole Bible, I doubt if any are closer to understanding god than you or me.

However, being logically right is no indication of usefulness.
Certainly, Donald Trump finds little use for logic.

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yovav
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 10:24 am
@reasoning logic,
Answering the question must first answer the question what is religion:
A system of beliefs or worldviews that link humanity to spiritual or binding moral principles
I think you are touching on one of the most creative and endless dissonances.
Will the day come and can we come to the solution of the question?
I guess the solution won't come through revealing external findings. But through changing ourselves.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jun, 2020 09:00 pm
@NealNealNeal,
I'm not an expert on carbon dating; just about the theory of half life that's pretty lengthy. Because the half-life of carbon-14 is 5,700 years, it is only reliable for dating objects up to about 60,000 years old. However, the principle of carbon-14 dating applies to other isotopes as well. Potassium-40 is another radioactive element naturally found in your body and has a half-life of 1.3 billion years.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2020 05:46 am
Aren’t ya glad the half-life of a human is a hell of a lot less than any of'em!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2020 06:07 am
@NealNealNeal,
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Carbon data has been shown to be inaccurate for fossils that are not relatively recent
What CI said is spot on. have all sorts of radioactive and stable isotopic dating techniques that ar very repeatable and unique to specific age groups.
The fact that C14 has a functional limit of 60-to 65 K years still doesn't stop Creationists from using it to insist that fossil dinosaurs are only 20 to 40000 years old. Theyve been known to "salt" specimens with Carbonate dust or even shellac or they "dope" the fossil with marl dust.
The Georgia Tech rad labs who did the first samples for th Creation "science" troupe. did some QA on the initial sampling an found either aded carbon or carbonate to a degree that would really foul up analyses. So they announced later that the reported numbrs of 40 K years were BOGUS.
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Positiveplus
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2020 01:33 pm
@reasoning logic,
I think that we can't really be sure, but we have to respect everyone else thoughts about this topic and never judge.

Except extremists, I would always judge extremists.
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JohnCoffman
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2020 03:29 am
I read all your theories .. I can say that this is everyone’s business. Someone believes, and someone does not. Therefore, there is no reason to argue about this.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2020 04:49 am
@JohnCoffman,
If one side or the other is right, how could there possibly be more reason to argue it?
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Endeavor to know God
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jun, 2020 10:47 am
The only way to ascertain whether a religion is true or not is to see if it truly fulfills its promises.
All religions promise prosperity to their followers. Throughout human history, those who truly followed a religion faced the most hardship and were never helped by God. One might claim that they were not true believers. Well, one can go and study the lives of the prophets and their successors. That would leave the researcher with no doubt!
coluber2001
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jun, 2020 01:04 pm
"Half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies."

— Joseph Campbell
Thou Art That: Transforming Religious Metaphor
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NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jun, 2020 02:05 pm
@Endeavor to know God,
The definition of "prosperity" needs to first be defined. Spiritual prosperity has little to do with monetary prosperity. Instead, it deals with a person's relationship with God.
According to Jesus, a believer's NEEDS will be met by God (although not necessarily his wants). However, a believer can have peace no matter what the circumstances are.
In Matthew chapter 5 Jesus promises Spiritual prosperity to those who follow Him.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jun, 2020 08:39 pm
@NealNealNeal,
I prefer to have economic and health prosperity over any "spiritual" one. It's because, I'm an atheist. I had too much problems having to decide amongst all the gods which one to choose. Atheism freed me from that dilemma.
NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jun, 2020 09:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
C.I.----- I am glad that you have lived a happy life. However, you need to do some study of what the Bible says about spiritual matters
I just read posts on the "what is hell" thread. There was a lot of ignorance there
For example, on judgment day you will not be in a position body like you have today The real "you" can not be cremated. You are an eternal being.
Also, it is not a good thing to be "judged by our works". Only Jesus coo pass that test. Everyone else fails miserably.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jun, 2020 10:25 pm
@NealNealNeal,
Neal, I grew up in a christian household, and all my siblings are christians married to christians. I don't worry about "judgement day," because I know through science, biology, anthropology, and common sense that once your brain is dead, you're dead. I think it takes six minutes without oxygen to kill your brain completely. There is no second life after we're dead. I've lived a decent life, and I'm almost 85 years old. My work was challenging and fun. Worked for Florsheim Shoe Company after I graduated from college, and worked as their Field Auditor in the seven western states. After 3.5 years, they promoted me to Audit Manager with a hefty raise, but we had to move to Chicago from California. After three years, we missed family, friends and the climate, so I resigned and moved back. Was comptroller for two small companies, then started doing small business consulting where I had the most fun and made the money. I have traveled this world, having visited all seven continents, cruised both major oceans, and most of the famous rivers of the world. I flew to Mt Everest, and dipped my feet in the Dead Sea. I visited most of the major sites of the world, and made friends in many countries including Russia, Germany, France, England, Cuba, Mexico, Canada, Singapore, Bhutan, and all across the USA. Got married to the right woman, and have two bright children. Oldest graduated summa cum laude, and the younger son graduated magna cum laude. All my siblings have also done well. Older brother is an attorney, my younger brother is an ophthalmologist, and my sister is an RN. Mine has been a privileged life, and I know it. We are now retired and settled in Silicon Valley. My sister tells me, I've been blessed. I have no regrets, having enjoyed a relatively healthy life.
Basaet
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jun, 2020 03:08 am
@cicerone imposter,
Religions are wrong because they are a based on fiction . I am an atheist I believe in science, math chemistry. No one knows what happens when you die.That’s why religion exist. Religious people state I’m the nicest person they know. Religion doesn’t make you a better person.
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NealNealNeal
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jun, 2020 02:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I am glad that you have had a good life. May you continue to have a good life for many more years.
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