Supreme Court Prop 8

Just to address a couple of your points.


The Bible does not address gay marriage. There is nothing in the Bible about gay marriage. Granted, the Bible does seem to indicate that homosexual practices are considered sin, just as stealing, lying and adultery are sin. But gay marriage is not addressed.


Nobody is forcing Christianity on anyone else by opposing gay marriage. Many gay marriage opponents are not particularly religious. What would be forced on everyone is simply a law not allowing gay marriages. It does not force religion on anyone. It does force people to obey a law they may not agree with, but how is that different than any other law that the government passes?


No, it does not. You have no idea what you are talking about.


At least you have one statement that you can reasonably argue. Although opponents of gay marriage would disagree and also have a reasonable argument. You cannot take something away that has never been. So I could argue that gay marriage opponents are not taking away any liberty or taking away someone's ability to pursue happiness. But at least you would be able to intelligently argue that they are doing so.


I have no idea. If they strictly follow the constitution, then I think they would rule in favor of prop 8. The constitution, like the Bible, does not mention marriage and thus the regulation of marriage should be left to the states. The people of California voted to live in a society where marriage is defined as between 1 man and 1 woman. So be it. But I expect they will not uphold prop 8. I think they will dodge it all together. But that is another discussion.

And as a bonus just for you, I also believe that DOMA should and will be struck down. Gay marriage opponents cannot have it both ways. You cannot leave marriage regulation up to the states and then argue for the federal government to regulate it.

IF on a purely constitutional basis, I fee that the court would have to drop Prop 8. By its existence it essentially denies civil rights to a class of people.

If DOMA is overturned, then the USSC would probably dump it all back to the states and what that does to prop 8 for the long term will be something to follow. Demographics dont favor those that are against gay marriage or gay unions

I would disagree with that argument unless all such actions of the government are struck down. Our politicians have gone to great lengths to create a class of people that they target with different laws. The "rich" get one tax rate, the "poor" get a free ride and the middle class gets a different tax rate. You cannot deny that these are not classes of people since politicians are constantly using the terms to classify us. (I know that for legal purposes I am missing the point here, but I submit that any group can get together and claim they are a minority class of people who deserve to be considered a class for legal purposes. Hope I'm not being too confusing.)

I agree totally.

with civil rights I mean "who benefits"? most states dont have gay couples enjoy any of the family benefits or even insurance and inheritence laws.
DOMA seems to keep those inequalities in effect by playing the role of an overarching Federal LAw.

Fifty years from now a whole generation will look back at this argument with the same disgust and disbelief many of us feel when we discuss that some States were willing to secede from America in order to preserve their right to allow people to own people.