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Everybody has to cross the river

 
 
Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2013 06:48 pm
-only 2 people can be on the raft at the same time
-The father cannot stay with any of the daughters, without their mother's presence
-the mother cannot stay with any of the sons, without the father's presence
-the thief (striped shirt) cannot stay with any family member, if the policeman is not there
-only the father, the mother, and the policeman know how to operate the raft
 
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2013 08:38 pm
@Kawilson,
So what's the problem? Only two people at a time. Doesn't say how many sons or daughters. Father takes son across, comes back for another son. Mother takes daughter across, comes back for another daughter. Policeman and thief cross together.

I still don't see the problem. This is childishly simple.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2013 10:48 pm
@Kawilson,
Kawilson wrote:

-The father cannot stay with any of the daughters, without their mother's presence
-the mother cannot stay with any of the sons, without the father's presence


Why not?

Clearly they have bigger problems than just crossing a river.
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Lola
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2013 10:55 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
So what's the problem? Only two people at a time. Doesn't say how many sons or daughters. Father takes son across, comes back for another son. Mother takes daughter across, comes back for another daughter. Policeman and thief cross together.


But the father can't stay with the sons without the mother and the mother can't stay with the sons without the father.

Your solution doesn't account for that, unless the sons wait outside while the father takes them across one at a time.

So is it that there's only one son and one daughter?
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 12:58 am
@Lola,
Lola wrote:
So is it that there's only one son and one daughter?
I guess we have to assume that.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 02:58 am
It says sons and daughters, plural. Obviously, the thief and the policeman have to be the last to cross, but that means someone gets left behind--whoever brought the raft back to that side of the river.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 03:06 am
This is unsolvable. Do the math for yourself.
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timur
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 03:47 am
- Mother crosses with daughter 1, leaves her on the other side.
- Mother comes back alone.
- Mother crosses with daughter 2, leaves her on the other side.
- Mother comes back alone.
- Father crosses with wife, leaves her with the two daughters.
- Father comes back alone.
- Policeman crosses with thief.
- Mother comes back alone.
- Mother crosses with son 1, leaves him with the two sisters, policeman and thief.
- Mother comes back alone.
- Mother crosses with son 2, leaves him with brother, the two sisters, policeman and thief.
- Mother comes back alone.
- Mother and father cross together.

End of the trip.
Ice Demon
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 04:38 am
@timur,
If the mother and sons doesn't get along, how do you expect them to cross together on a raft that holds two, without the presence of father?
A better solution would be the following:
Policeman and thief cross. [F, M, S1, S2, D1, D2 ~~~ P, T]
Policeman crosses back (Golden opportunity to escape, and if the thief was I, I would). [F, M, S1, S2, D1, D2, P ~~~ T]
Policeman and a son 1 crosses. [F, M, S2, D1, D2 ~~~ P, S1, T]
Policeman and thief crosses back. [F, M, S2, D1, D2, P, T ~~~ S1]
father and son 2 crosses. [M, D1, D2, P, T ~~~ F, S2, S1]
Father crosses back. [F, M, D1, D2, P, T ~~~ S2, S1]
Father and mother crosses. [D1, D2, P, T ~~~ F, M, S2, S1]
Mother crosses back. [M, D1, D2, P, T ~~~ F, S2, S1]
Policeman and thief cross. [M, D1, D2 ~~~ F, S2, S1, P, T]
Father crosses back. [F, M, D1, D2 ~~~ S2, S1, P, T]
Mother and father cross. [D1, D2 ~~~ F, M, S2, S1, P, T]
Mother crosses back. [M, D1, D2 ~~~ F, S2, S1, P, T]
Mother and daughter 1 crosses. [D2 ~~~ F, S2, S1, P, T, M, D1]
Policeman and thief crosses back. [D2, P, T~~~ F, S2, S1, M, D1]
Policeman and daughter 2 crosses (Another golden opportunity to escape, and if the thief was I, I would). [T~~~ F, S2, S1, M, D1, D2, P]
Policeman crosses back. [P, T~~~ F, S2, S1, M, D1, D2]
Policeman and thief crosses. [~~~ F, S2, S1, M, D1, D2, P, T]


timur
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 04:47 am
@Ice Demon,
Obviously you are not reading the OP:

Kawilson wrote:
the thief (striped shirt) cannot stay with any family member, if the policeman is not there


Ice Demon wrote:
Policeman and a son 1 crosses


Leaving the thief with the family, contrary to the previous clause?

Ice Demon
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 04:49 am
@timur,
timur wrote:

Obviously you are not reading the OP:

Kawilson wrote:
the thief (striped shirt) cannot stay with any family member, if the policeman is not there


Ice Demon wrote:
Policeman and a son 1 crosses


Leaving the thief with the family, contrary to the previous clause?




Again, where do you see me leave the thief with any of the family members, without the policeman?
timur
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 04:49 am
@Ice Demon,
As I understand it, the OP doesn't say the mother cannot cross with a son, he/she says: cannot stay.
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timur
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 04:50 am
@Ice Demon,
here:

Ice Demon wrote:
Policeman crosses back (Golden opportunity to escape, and if the thief was I, I would)
Ice Demon
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 04:53 am
@timur,
Back-pedaling, are you?
timur
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 05:04 am
@Ice Demon,
Playing on words, are you?

Having crossed the river, I'm looking for nicer horizons..
Ice Demon
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 05:41 am
@timur,
Why, to you, there seems to be nothing wrong with making assumptions to make the problem easier? And I suppose then, by such reasoning, we can assume that when individuals tour on the raft, they are not staying on the raft, but rather floating lightly as an ethereal personage where one of the regimen adumbrated by the clauses literally doesn't seem to hold.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 06:44 am
Either the conditions are not well stated, or the problem is unsolvable. The mother cannot cross with a son, because then she would be on the raft with a son without the father present.

I'd say the expression of the conditions is flawed, or there is something not stated in the conditions. Furthermore, if there are sons and daughters (and the original statement is in the plural), it is unsolvable.
markr
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 07:14 pm
@Setanta,
It's not unsolvable. Ice Demon solved it (plural version).
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 07:26 pm
@markr,
No, ID made assumptions which aren't covered in the stipulated conditions. Additionally, ID's solution leaves the father on the far bank with one of the daughters will the mother is on the nether bank.
Ice Demon
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 07:33 pm
@Setanta,
By assumptions, if you mean limiting the number of sons and daughter to the number two, then two was chosen for simplicity's sake. The number of sons and daughters can be arbitrary, and all that requires to offset the numbers are just a repetition of two given steps in any one of the solutions possible. The basic idea of the solution remains unaltered, however.
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