The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

@BillRM,

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o let's recap...
You still have zero instances of SWAT breaking down a door in the last 12 months. I won't hold my breath as I wait for you to find one or more to back up your claims.

What the hell are you talking about thousands if not tens of thousands of warrants every year is serve in that manner in the US.

But we weren't talking about serving warrants on people that needed to have warrants served on them. We are talking about them breaking down doors of innocent people without a legal justification.

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@parados,

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But we weren't talking about serving warrants on people that needed to have warrants served on them. We are talking about them breaking down doors of innocent people without a legal justification.

Warrants are legal justifications even when they happen to be wrong as in the wrong house number, an informer giving wrong information, not checking to see it the house wifi is open or not and so on.

To say nothing of harming innocents such as children during the servicing of even correct warrants.

We are beginning not to have police forces but a version of the German SS.

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@BillRM,

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We are beginning not to have police forces but a version of the German SS.

Because the German SS always got a warrant from the courts?

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@BillRM,

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Re: parados (Post 5240062)
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But we weren't talking about serving warrants on people that needed to have warrants served on them. We are talking about them breaking down doors of innocent people without a legal justification.

Warrants are legal justifications even when they happen to be wrong as in the wrong house number, an informer giving wrong information, not checking to see it the house wifi is open or not and so on.

To say nothing of harming innocents such as children during the servicing of even correct warrants.

We are beginning not to have police forces but a version of the German SS.

If we were even remotely close to that...you would not be publishing the stuff you regularly post, Bill.

Do you honestly think you could have publicly said the stuff you say here about the government in SS dominated Germany???

This is hyperbole on a galactic scale. Phase it back a few notches...or your credibility will suffer.

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@Frank Apisa,

It took some time for Germany to go bad also it did not happen overnight and the police leaving it role as peace keepers to act more like storm troopers happen not to be a good sign.

Next as far as my still having freedom of speech there is a new elements existing worldwide that not even tight dictatorships have been able to control known as the internet.

You might had hear of it and even when mass media had gotten on the anti second amendment bandwagon the voices of the defenders of the amendment still can be hear due to the internet.

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@BillRM,

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It took some time for Germany to go bad also it did not happen overnight and the police leaving it role as peace keepers to act more like storm troopers happen not to be a good sign.

Next as far as my still having freedom of speech there is a new elements existing worldwide that not even tight dictatorships have been able to control known as the internet.

You might had hear of it and even when mass media had gotten on the anti second amendment bandwagon the voices of the defenders of the amendment still can be hear due to the internet.

Nice try, Bill...but way off base.

If we were even remotely close to an SS state...you wouldn't be saying a word...Internet or not. If the government were looking for you, it would be a laugh for them to find you.

You are posting the defiant posts you make day after day because you are absolutely secure in your freedom to do so.

But if you want to argue the point, keep coming at me. This could be fun.

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I carried a concealed weapon and I made the determination if somebody
was going to try and take me out, I was going to take them with me ~ Feinswine

Does anyone know what weapon she carried?
What was her method of concealment?

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@Frank Apisa,

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If the government were looking for you, it would be a laugh for them to find you.

Well I have given enough personal information out that under BillRM I could indeed be found but changing the handle and using tor and other precautions it would take more then a laugh to find me just as the Chinese government is having one hell of a problem tracking down their anti-government posters.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

It took some time for Germany to go bad also it did not happen overnight and the police leaving it role as peace keepers to act more like storm troopers happen not to be a good sign.

Just to clarify: the SA ("Sturmabteilung" = 'Storm Detachment'),was the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party until 1934, when the SS ("Schutzstaffel" = 'Protection Squadron') became the major paramilitary organization.

The German police was organised differently in the various German states until 1936. They then were countrywide organised as "Ordnungspolizei" ('Order Police'), doing regular uniformed law enforcement.

Commanding police officer of larger units were officiall part of the SS as well: SS and Police Leader (Higher SS and Police Leaders as generals).

Many of those policemen were both the friendly peace keeping policeman at home and murdering unscrupulous Nazi henchman in Eastern Europe during the war. And nearly all played a sad role in carrying out the Holocaust.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Thanks for the information.

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@BillRM,

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If the government were looking for you, it would be a laugh for them to find you.

Well I have given enough personal information out that under BillRM I could indeed be found but changing the handle and using tor and other precautions it would take more then a laugh to find me just as the Chinese government is having one hell of a problem tracking down their anti-government posters.

So are you suggesting that you are bravely speaking out against the government at almost every opportunity not because we are not a totalitarian state, but because you can successfully hide from the secret police?

C'mon, Bill...let's stay real here.

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@Frank Apisa,

I am stating that unlike before the internet free speech have inherent protections that go far beyond any laws of any nation state.

Also no matter what line the mass new media owners/controlers take on any issue the other side can not be locked out of the public debates.

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@BillRM,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5240153)
I am stating that unlike before the internet free speech have inherent protections that go far beyond any laws of any nation state.

I have absolutely no idea of what you were trying to communicate with those words.

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Also no matter what line the mass new media owners/controlers take on any issue the other side can not be locked out of the public debates.

Ummm...yes, no, or maybe. Depending upon what you were trying to say.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Question Walter where does the brown shirts fit in as I by my understanding they was the force arm of the Nazi party until the night of the long knives?

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@BillRM,

The SA were indeed the main Nazi-party's paramilitary unit, from 1921 onwards until the Röhm-Putsch in 1934.(Actually, they were called in 1920 for a couple of weeks really SS - but that was short for "Saalschutz" ['hall security'].)

After 1934/5, the SA was just a minor party organisation, only getting in the headlines again in 1938 during the Progrom Night.

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@Region Philbis,

That should be on the bad joke thread RP.

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It sounds as though the big push to 'do something' is running out of gas.
Calmer heads are becoming the norm, but there are still more than a few
emotional left wing lunatics pushing for irrational actions and stupid bans.

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