Computer Engineering, Computer Science & Information Science

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos042.htm

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos266.htm

Here it is, right from the horse's mouth!

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Thanks! I'm also looking for insight that persons involved might have. Sometimes those descriptions are misleading.

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Additional information on a career in computer software engineering is available from any of the following sources:

Association for Computing Machinery (ACM), 1515 Broadway, New York, NY 10036. Internet: http://www.acm.org
Institute of Electronics and Electrical Engineers Computer Society, Headquarters Office, 1730 Massachusetts Ave. NW., Washington, DC 20036-1992. Internet: http://www.computer.org
National Workforce Center for Emerging Technologies, 3000 Landerholm Circle SE., Bellevue, WA 98007. Internet: http://www.nwcet.org

For further information on careers, education, certification, publications, and conferences related to computer hardware engineers, contact:

IEEE Computer Society, 1730 Massachusetts Ave. NW., Washington, DC 20036-1992. Internet: http://www.computer.org

Further information about computer careers is available from any of the following organizations:

Association for Computing Machinery (ACM), 1515 Broadway, New York, NY 10036. Internet: http://www.acm.org

Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Computer Society, Headquarters Office, 1730 Massachusetts Ave. NW., Washington, DC 20036-1992. Internet: http://www.computer.org

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Well, I can't help you there. What is good about these articles is that it gives you a real sense of the education needed, the prospects, and the salary ranges.

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An example of a hard-to-tell thing I'd like to know is:

Which is the hardest academic field of the three?

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Ah, I can help with salary stuff. That's the basis of this question:

The average starting salary/change from previous year (%):

Computer Engineering: 53,117/0.7
Computer Science: 48,656/8.9
Information Sciences: 42,108/2.6

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I read the links, they were really good. I might not need any more info.

Thanks! The ocupational handbook is a gem.

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According to Robert Half International, starting salaries for software engineers in software development ranged from $64,250 to $97,000 in 2003.

In addition to typical benefits, computer software engineers may be provided with profit sharing, stock options, and a company car with a mileage allowance.

Robert Half is a professional employment service.

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Median annual earnings of computer and information scientists, research, were $77,760 in 2002. The middle 50 percent earned between $58,630 and $98,490. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $42,890, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $121,650. Median annual earnings of computer and information scientists employed in computer systems design and related services in 2002 were $78,730.

Median annual earnings of all other computer specialists were $54,070 in 2002. Median annual earnings of all other computer specialists employed in computer system design and related services were $49,590, and, for those in scientific research and development services, earnings were $70,150 in 2002.

According to the National Association of Colleges and Employers, starting offers for graduates with a master's degree in computer science averaged $62,806 in 2003. Starting offers averaged $47,109 for graduates with a bachelor's degree in computer science; $45,346 for those with a degree in computer programming; $41,118 for those with a degree in computer systems analysis; $40,556 for those with a degree in management information systems; and $38,282 for those with a degree in information sciences and systems.

According to Robert Half International, starting salaries in 2003 ranged from $69,750 to $101,750 for database administrators. Salaries for networking and Internet-related occupations ranged from $45,500 to $65,750 for LAN administrators and from $51,250 to $73,750 for Intranet developers. Starting salaries for security professionals ranged from $62,500 to $91,750 in 2003.

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Median annual earnings of computer hardware engineers were $72,150 in 2002. The middle 50 percent earned between $56,490 and $91,730. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $46,190, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $114,880. Median annual earnings in the industries employing the largest numbers of computer hardware engineers in 2002 were:

Semiconductor and other electronic component manufacturing $76,600
Computer and peripheral equipment manufacturing 75,300
Computer systems designs and related services 74,320

According to the National Association of Colleges and Employers, starting salary offers in 2003 for bachelor's degree candidates in computer engineering averaged $51,343 a year; master's degree candidates averaged $64,200.

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Craven~

From my own perspective, a software engineer who never got a degree in the field (learned as I went):

Computer engineers, generally called harware engineers or software engineers are the worker bees grinding out the product. (Engineers in other disciplines tend to regard software engineers as posers who are not engineers at all)

Computer scientists - I've never encountered anyone who called himself (or herself) a computer scientist. I guess I just don't hang with the right crowd.

Information Science - don't know about "science", but most companies have an Information Technology (IT) department. These folks generally do not produce new software or hardware but rather integrate existing products for use by the company.

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I usually lump them into 3 different areas. Computer Engineering teachs you how to build a computer. Computer Science teaches you how to write applications for the computer that the engineer designed and Information Science is organising data within the applications that the Computer Science majors write. Wink

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Ok, so far it seems that engineer (both software and hardware) tend to be the type of computing tasks I don't really like (I'm not really into hardware for example).

But from what fishin' says, there seems to be a difference from the impression I'd gotten.

I had the impression that computer science would be more theoretical with the engineer doing more of the drudgery.

From what fishin' says it seems the engineer si the architect and the comp sci is the worker bee?

How ass backwards are my impressions thus far?

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Craven de Kere wrote:

From what fishin' says it seems the engineer si the architect and the comp sci is the worker bee?

How ass backwards are my impressions thus far?

Hmmm.. That wasn't what I was trying to get across. A Computer Engineer would design a IC Chip or design a system putting multiple chips together.

A Computer Science major would be an applications or Web Site designer.

There can be some crossover but they really focus on different areas and they are both worker bee jobs.

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Thanks, looks like I'm more of a Comp Sci. What do you think?

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From what I know of you I'd agree. Building this site is what a Comp. Sci. major would do for example.

Hey, are you willing to re-locate at all??? (Like maybe up to El Segundo area??)

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I'm definitely willing to rellocate (anywhere in the continental US). But where is El Segundo?

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George,

I have a question for a "learn on the fly" guy like yourself.

I could teach myself most of the things I'd learn in college for these things, but how easy would it be to break into the market?

For example, if I were to teach myself a programming language could I get jobs? Or would it be hard without a degree?

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Craven de Kere wrote:

I'm definitely willing to rellocate (anywhere in the continental US). But where is El Segundo?

Up between Torrence and Santa Monica CA. Wink

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I just looked up El Segundo. Near LA? Heck I don't care. I need to get a move on a career soon or it's gonna get tough. It already looks tough.

Edit: But what's in El Segundo?

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Thanks for the links Phoe, I intend to read them myself in the next couple days (just bookmarking for now). I have many of the same questions Craven has, as soon I'll be moving to the States & have to think about what field I want to pursue.

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