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Caesarean refusal leads to murder charge

 
 
fishin
 
Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 11:05 am
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Friday, March 12, 2004 Posted: 9:24 AM EST (1424 GMT)

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- A pregnant woman who allegedly ignored medical warnings to have a Caesarean section to save her twins was charged Thursday with murder after one of the babies was stillborn.

Prosecutors said Melissa Ann Rowland, 28, didn't want the scars that accompany the surgery.

An autopsy found the baby died two days before its January 13 delivery and that it would have survived if Rowland had had a C-section when her doctors urged her to, between Christmas and January 9. The other baby is alive, but authorities had no further information.

The doctors had warned that without a C-section, the twins would probably die, authorities said. A nurse told police Rowland said a Caesarean would "ruin her life" and she would rather "lose one of the babies than be cut like that."

"We are unable to find any reason other than the cosmetic motivations" for the mother's decision, said Kent Morgan, spokesman for the district attorney.


The rest of the story can be found at: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/03/11/mother.charged.ap/index.html

Should this woman have been charged? Isn't it within the scope of her rights to refuse the C-section?? How is refusing the medical procedure and delivering a still born child different that electing to have an abortion? If this charge holds up, does it open the door for any women that doesn't deliver a healthy baby to be charged in the future?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 11:07 am
Can abortion be done legally in the USA (or Utah) at that stadium?
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 11:31 am
About six months ago a women in Connecticut was prosecuted, convicted and jailed in Connecticut for causing the suicide of her 12 year old son by keeping a messy house. The boy had been savagely bullied at school and the situation was known but ignored by teachers and school administrators. None of them suffered legal consequences for this inaction. There is a small but disturbing pattern developing where prosecutors are going after mothers for "neglect".. Having children in this society seems increasingly becoming a liability.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 11:35 am
"at that stadium"? You lost me there Walter!

Did you mean "at that stage"? If so.. I dunno.

From the article "In January, the state Supreme Court ruled that unborn children at all stages of development are covered under the state's criminal homicide statute. The law exempts the death of a fetus during an abortion."

So it seems that this law could be applied at any stage of the pregnancy. It just seems odd. A woman can choose to have an abortion but if she chooses to just let nature take it's course to the same end result she can be charged with murder.
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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 11:48 am
I saw that article too fishin. Blows my little mind.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 11:49 am
Yes, stage it was ('stadium' would be the German word :wink: ).

This woman would be accused for homicide/manslaughter here in Germany.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 11:53 am
Is willful stupidity a crime? How about vanity? The mother-to-be felt her life would be ruined by a Caesarian scar.

At least she's not suing the doctors for not having dragged her into the delivery room, scalpels at the ready.
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caprice
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 01:11 pm
If the woman really made those comments, she should have her child/children taken away from her.

Besides, unless a woman forms keloid scars, the scar left from a c-section would be nothing compared to the stretch marks.

I just can't imagine a pregnant woman making those comments though! Not unless she was lacking the "mommy" gene or something. Guess there are those types though.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2004 09:04 pm
This is really an issue of whether abortion should be allowed, in my oppinion. I don't see a difference in the essense.
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fishin
 
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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 09:06 am
SCoates wrote:
This is really an issue of whether abortion should be allowed, in my oppinion. I don't see a difference in the essense.


Huh??? I don't see how you could possibly get to there from anything in the story.

It's a story of the law being twisted in ways that aren't so smart and don't make much sense.
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onyxelle
 
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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 10:03 am
It seems to me a dirty twist of the law, because she is in effect saying (or so it seems) I'd rather have an abortion than to be cut like that that. What's the difference between having a doctore kill them while inside you, vs letting them die naturally inside you and be born dead?

I don't think she should be charged w/ murder, but I think someone should check and see whether she's caring more for herself than for her kid(s). This is very disturbing, both on the part of the mother, for making those statements, as well as the state for charging her w/ murder...
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 10:21 am
According to the update in this morning's newspapers, the woman has two other children who are being taken care of by a grandmother.

The woman is mentally ill and upset by pain and scarring from a previous Caesarian.

She signed a release that she understood that refusing to have a Caesarian could both endanger the lives of the babies and impair their mental development.

I don't understand why the hospital didn't head for a judge and get a restraining order on the "clear and present danger to herself or others" rule covering involuntary hospitalization.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 07:50 am
Today's FindLaw's Writ features Rutgers law professor Sherry F. Colb's commentary on the implications of prosecuting a woman for refusing a Caesarean section:

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Crying Murder When A Woman Refuses a C-Section:
The Disturbing Implications of a Utah Prosecution
By SHERRY F. COLB
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Tuesday, Mar. 16, 2004

Last week, Utah prosecutors charged a woman with murder for failing to undergo a Caesarean section ("C-section") delivery, a failure that allegedly resulted in the death of one of her unborn twins. Prosecutors have suggested that the reason the woman, Melissa Ann Rowland, refused the procedure was her desire to avoid an abdominal scar.

Ultimately, this prosecution raises a very simple question: Are we, as a society, prepared to demand more of pregnant women than of anyone else?

The answer to this question must be no, if we are sincerely committed to equality.

The Status of A Fetus In the Womb

To avoid creating the impression that I take the responsibilities of pregnancy lightly, let me be clear in stating that I believe a woman who intends to carry her pregnancy to term has a moral obligation to attempt to avoid situations and activities that will harm her unborn child. Pregnant women who engage in drinking sprees or other high-risk behavior, without considering the impact on their children, are doing something that I consider selfish, reprehensible, and cruel.

The fact that the pregnant woman's child will suffer in the future rather than in the present because of her actions, moreover, does not - to my mind - mitigate the harm of those actions.

Further, if an uninvited third party were to inflict upon a pregnant woman the very same exposure to hazards to which she is exposing herself, I would have no hesitation about subjecting the third party to criminal responsibility for the harm caused to the unborn child. Indeed, I have said as much in an earlier column.

To make a principled case for opposing Rowland's prosecution for murder, someone who values fetal life must distinguish what the defendant allegedly did - failing to obtain a C-section against doctors' orders - from the actions that a third party might carry out to cause death or serious bodily harm to an unborn baby. And one cannot rely on the fact that the twin whose death Rowland allegedly caused was not yet born.

Pregnant Women Versus Everyone Else

Advocates for abortion rights sometimes fall into what I have described in a prior column as the pro-life trap of arguing about whether a fetus is a person. The only coherent defense of abortion, however, once a pregnancy has progressed beyond the early stages, is that in a free country such as ours, we do not demand that people give their bodies over to others -- even their own children -- in the way that forced pregnancy would entail.

We do not make parents of physically separate children, for example, donate a kidney or bone marrow or even blood to save their children (though many of us hope that parents would love their children enough to make these extreme sacrifices without the force of a legal obligation).

Though for many a welcome and beautiful event, it is nonetheless true that the experience of pregnancy physically taxes a woman's organ systems and health in ways that simply do not admit of analogy in the existing law of ordinarily required sacrifice.

Yes, individuals can be made to pay money to support their children, even when those children are unwanted. But as a matter of common sense, the mandating of financial payments, however burdensome, does not rise to the level of imposition upon bodily integrity implicated by pregnancy.

And once an imposition rises to that level, we no longer see the law making such demands, even of parents.

So what?, the reader might be thinking. That's all about abortion. Rowland chose not to have an abortion.

In fact, far from demanding that she remain pregnant, her doctors asked her to stop being pregnant to save the lives of her children, and she was unwilling to do that. Does Rowland really have a right to remain pregnant and thereby to kill her children?

The question is a good one, but the distinction between punishing a woman for abortion, and punishing her for refusing surgery to terminate a pregnancy, is illusory. Just as a pregnancy represents a major physical intrusion, so then does surgery. Indeed, one can readily understand the seriousness of major surgery without even knowing much about how difficult pregnancy can be.

Imagine a law that said that some sector of the population -- defined by race, gender, or national origin -- must undergo a particular surgical procedure, involving all of the risks and painful after-effects of surgery and anesthesia. Such a law would be objectionable and obviously unconstitutional no matter how helpful to others, including children of the targeted group.

An example? It is difficult to invent one, but let us use our imaginations. Say a hypothetical (but devastating) disease -- fabricitis -- is quite common. Say also that the disease can be cured completely with the injection of liver cells from men of Finnish descent. The liver cells must be extracted from the men before they reach the age of 45, though, and the only way to accomplish the extraction is through abdominal surgery.

The criminal law could not demand of Finnish-American young men that they undergo the surgery to save victims of the disease, even those victims who are close relatives of the patients.

Altruistic individuals could choose to make the sacrifice, of their own free will (and some would surely do so). But to incarcerate those who did not as murderers would here represent unconstitutional discrimination on the basis of national origin and would place a grossly unfair demand on the relevant minority.

Targeting a Limited Population

Why do I focus on a minority rather than saying that the law could not force everyone to undergo abdominal surgery?

The reason is that a nation of enforced altruism would not necessarily be inferior to or less desirable than our own.

It would, of course, be highly burdensome and intrusive if everyone were legally obligated to donate bone marrow and blood routinely, and if people had to undergo surgery to help others. In addition, such a scheme would probably violate existing constitutional liberty and privacy rights.

Nonetheless, if the demand were evenhanded, then we would have some assurance that a majority of the public sincerely felt that the benefits -- in the saving of lives and the prevention of extreme suffering -- outweighed the costs in liberty and autonomy.

In other words, there is no reason why the costs of demanding universal altruism would be systematically undervalued or the benefits systematically overvalued if every member of society were subject to both.

Minimizing Costs to Others

Consider how different it would be, on the other hand, if a particular portion of the population were legally bound to carry burdens that the rest of us can avoid. The targeted group could be Finnish-American young men or pregnant women (or perhaps pregnant women like Ms. Rowland, who apparently had little money and lacked strong ties to her treating doctors).

In such a situation, it is quite plausible to expect that advocates for imposing this burden would minimize the cost and trivialize the objections while focusing almost exclusively on the real or imagined benefits of the compulsory sacrifice.

We see this in pro-life rhetoric that portrays women as casually having abortions to address "inconvenience." And we see it as well in the prosecutor's attempts to suggest that Ms. Rowland allowed her child to die in utero in order to avoid an unsightly scar -- a claim that conflicts with her own statement that she had already had C-sections (and scars) in the past and thus was not simply trying to preserve a scar-free aesthetic.

Most of us -- that is, men, women who are not pregnant, and many women who are pregnant but who do not have adversarial relationships with their doctors -- will never be in Rowland's position and are well aware of that. It would therefore be quite easy for a majority to tolerate criminal prosecutions, when the prosecutions will cost the majority nothing.

Exaggerating Benefits That Will Come From Others' Sacrifices

In addition to minimizing costs when they are borne by somebody else, there is also a human tendency to overvalue the benefits to be derived from reducing others' liberties.

This tendency has, for example, been a source of great concern for those who have suffered the effects of racial profiling both before and after the attacks of September 11th.

On top of unfairly distributing liberty, many have claimed, racial profiling also gives us an illusion but not the reality of greater safety. The same could be said of forced C-sections.

The Truth About C-Sections

Up until now, this column has proceeded on the assumption that a doctor who tells a pregnant patient that she needs to have a C-section is generally providing sound advice that ought to be followed if the woman cares about her unborn children. Even if that assumption is true, I have argued, it is nonetheless unacceptable to require pregnant women to undergo major surgery for their children's sake (and on pain of criminal prosecution) when no one else is forced do so.

As it turns out, though, the premise that an obstetrician's surgical recommendation ought to be followed is itself questionable. In the U.S., approximately one quarter of all babies are delivered by C-section. According to the World Health Organization's Safety Standards, however, there is no justification for a C-section rate of higher than 10 to 15 percent.

That is, roughly one half of the C-sections in the U.S. are performed unnecessarily. Furthermore, as it turns out, the risk of maternal death is between twice and four times greater when a woman has a C-section than when she undergoes a vaginal delivery.

But doesn't the U.S. offer the best obstetrical care in the world? No. If we look at comparative C-section rates across industrialized nations, the U.S. rates -- as of 1995 -- were higher than those of at least ten other countries, including England, France, and Spain, where infant mortality rates were also lower.

C-sections are thus risky not only to pregnant women but to their babies as well -- a fact that certainly has some bearing on whether doctors who recommend surgery are necessarily practicing good medicine.

But what do these surgical rates have to do with the Rowland prosecution? Didn't one of her twins die, just as doctors feared? And doesn't that death show that at least in her situation, it was - from her babies' perspective - an obvious mistake for her to refuse a C-section?

In light of C-section rates in the U.S., the death of Ms. Rowland's baby does not necessarily support the conclusion that refusing the surgery was wrong. The alarmingly high rate of C-sections in this country evidences a tendency for doctors here to intervene surgically in many instances in which such intervention is inappropriate and thereby to create unjustified risks to mothers and their babies.

When it comes to recommended C-sections, it is thus difficult to know in advance that a particular doctor's recommendation represents good (never mind the only sound) advice.

Specific court cases bear out this concern about C-section recommendations as well. In three of the first five cases in which providers sought court ordered C-sections in the U.S., for example, the women delivered vaginally without a problem. In two of the three cases, moreover, the doctors predicted that both the woman and her offspring would die, though the women went on to deliver healthy babies without surgery.

Even in the Rowland case itself, doctors said that her twins would likely die without a C-section, but in fact, one of the two survived. This is not to say, of course, that a 50% infant mortality rate is an acceptable result. However, the surviving twin does -- even in hindsight -- point to a serious problem in allowing courts to place unquestioning reliance upon medical judgment when it comes to C-sections.

And unlike court orders, criminal prosecutions can benefit from 20-20 hindsight. They thus allow prosecutors to ignore the many cases in which doctors said the very same things that they said to Ms. Rowland, and outcomes proved the doctors to be very much mistaken.

The Case In Favor of Rowland

In short, the arguments against the homicide prosecution of Melissa Ann Rowland for failure to have a C-section are substantial and ultimately decisive.

To undergo surgery to help another person - even one's own child - is a decision currently left up to the individual in our society. Moral obligations to risk life and limb for one's children are not enforced by the criminal law.

To select a subgroup - pregnant women - to face mandatory surgery is thus patently unfair. And in addition to embracing a double-standard, the advocate of forced C-sections must confront the wealth of data suggesting that the those who decide a C-section is necessary for a child's wellbeing are consistently making errors that risk the lives and wellbeing of women and their babies.

If we wish to become a nation of good Samaritans, a step that this country does not appear poised to take at this time, we must make sure that the obligations of such a choice rest equally upon all of us. Otherwise, we risk subjugating a minority, and we systematically fail to assess the real-life costs and benefits of what we do.

In the interests of justice, the prosecution of Ms. Rowland should be dropped or dismissed.

SOURCE
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 12:01 pm
Walter--

Very interesting. Thank you.
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mac11
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 12:17 pm
Yes, excellent article Walter.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 12:54 pm
From NPR: The woman lost custody of a older daughter because she was beating her daughter in a public place.

This woman has rights, but accepting her as an appealing poster girl becomes more and more difficult. Long live the ACLU.
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Wildflower63
 
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Reply Thu 18 Mar, 2004 09:25 pm
Should any woman be force to a surgical procedure in which she objects to, no matter what reason? No! This is not murder. It is individual choice persecuted by people who believe in collective rights, not individual ones. I do not see where anyone should be criminalized for medical choices of their own body.

She is the one with dead infant children, not us. She has to live with this choice, not us. Stop condemning people for making an informed medical choice for themselves using the rights of the unborn, who this woman carried. This is wrong to even bring her to criminal charges!!!

This woman was allowed the legal right to decide upon her medical care, later to be called a murder. If that is the case, no woman should be allowed to make a personal decision, only doctors and lawyers to prevent further criminal acts. This is ridiculous!
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 18 Mar, 2004 09:28 pm
Well, the woman was not mentally well. Sometimes others need to make decisions for those who are not qualified to do so themselves.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 18 Mar, 2004 09:33 pm
SCoates wrote:
Well, the woman was not mentally well. Sometimes others need to make decisions for those who are not qualified to do so themselves.


I'd agree that she is (from press reports) mentally ill. There is a process to deal with that though. The doctors she saw could have filed the appropriate paperwork, had a court hearing and the court could have ordered the surgical procedure. The doctors didn't opt to do that.
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SCoates
 
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Reply Thu 18 Mar, 2004 10:05 pm
Point taken. To me it seems they should have. But there are too many possible mistakes doctors can make to hold them responsible for all of them. I realize that's a contraversial point of view in itself.
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