Okay…since I have been accused of refusing to discuss this issue, let me start the discussion…and see if Setanta and Fresco are willing to engage.
We have people in A2K who assert a GOD definitely exists…and we have people in A2K who assert there are no gods. These people claim to KNOW either that a GOD exists…or that gods do not exist. There is no ambiguity on the issue according to these folk.
I, on the other hand, do not know if a GOD exists…and I do not know if gods do not exist. I see no reason to suppose a GOD is needed to explain existence…at the same time, I see no reason to suppose that a GOD or gods cannot possibly exist. And I acknowledge all that.
I see no convincing arguments that I should guess one way or the other—and I am not disposed to do so. Frankly, theistic arguments that a GOD exists leave me wondering how anyone could be convinced by the arguments I’ve heads offered…and atheistic arguments that there are no gods are never more than variations on “there is no need for a GOD” or “the theists cannot produce a GOD”…neither of which is an argument that there are no gods.
Some theists acknowledge that they actually have an agnostic perspective on the issue, but that they choose to guess there is a GOD for a variety of reasons…and they want to be known as theists or “believers.” They conceive of their choice as the best available to them…superior to any others they have considered.
Some atheists acknowledge that they actually have an agnostic perspective on the issue, but that they simply are not willing to guess there are gods…and they claim they are by dint of that decision they must call themselves atheists. They conceive of their choice as the best available to them…superior to any others they have considered.
That also is fine.
In the past I have preferred the term “agnostic” to denote my position. I conceive of that as the best available to me; superior to any others I have considered; and I think highlighting the fact that I do not know is a sign of strength.
The people who claim they know a GOD exists may actually have an inside track to the GOD. No way I can KNOW for sure that they don’t…so I studiously avoid discussions about religion or REALITY with them.
I cannot conceive of how any intelligent individual can claim to KNOW gods do not exist. The only way they could KNOW that for sure is if they were a god…and you can see the problem that would present for their assertion. And quite honestly, I see the pretence of knowing there are no gods to be a sign of weakness.
In my signature line, I cover my feelings about that: To acknowledge what you do not know is a display of strength. To pretend you know what you truly don’'t – is a display of weakness.
What do you see as the major problem with my position?