How can something come from nothing?

I never claimed to be a scientist.

You don't even know the definition of science.

Not correct; vacuum has energy within it.

Scientists share their findings almost immediately after they have tested their theory.

I made a career in Accounting ... In late November, my travel buddy and I will be on a cruise in the Caribbean.

No scientist says it started from nothing.

Plenty of scientists of all walks of life are religious...I care to respect the ones who don't mix the two!

That's because you're hung up on Conflict Theory, which is actually a fairly new idea.

Conflict Theory goes like this:
1. Science is directly opposed to religion.
2. All religious people therefore unscientific. That they somehow don't understand that water conducts electricity, don't know about gravity, and have buckteeth and are inbred. That's a really unfair and unflattering picture btw...
3. All scientific people are atheists. (Btw, this part is patently untrue, as discovered by finding out that several scientists are actually devout members of Judaism, Christianity, or some other religion)

https://vedicfeed.com/scientists-influenced-by-hinduism/
https://www.famousscientists.org/great-scientists-christians/
https://www.juliantrubin.com/schooldirectory/jewishscientists.html

The countertheory can likewise be summed up in a few words:
1. Science and religion are not opposed.
2. Science is the study of how the physical world works. It does not require worship of the physical world, nor does it dismiss the possibility of a s
3. Therefore, scientists can be of any belief. Likewise, religious people can be of any scientific background, from Flat Earther to believing in pretty much every scientific concept.
4. What is incompatible with faith is scientific secularism, because scientific secularism is the idea that religion cannot be scientific, while it pushes its own faith, one that worships climate and social justice. (Yeahhhh, you guys aren't fooling anyone)

A house divided indeed. Those of scientific secularism worship a so-called science, which does not in fact study the universe but claims there is consensus. That is called dogma, where there is an official belief that you're not allowed to question. Who does not understand the scientific method, yet insists we "follow the science." What science? You're not following science, you're at odds with yourself, saying scientific people can't have any faith (impossible, humans always have faith) and then subscribing to a faith of your own.

bulmabriefs144 wrote:

That's because you're hung up on Conflict Theory, which is actually a fairly new idea.

Conflict Theory goes like this:
1. Science is directly opposed to religion.
2. All religious people therefore unscientific. That they somehow don't understand that water conducts electricity, don't know about gravity, and have buckteeth and are inbred. That's a really unfair and unflattering picture btw...
3. All scientific people are atheists. (Btw, this part is patently untrue, as discovered by finding out that several scientists are actually devout members of Judaism, Christianity, or some other religion)

https://vedicfeed.com/scientists-influenced-by-hinduism/
https://www.famousscientists.org/great-scientists-christians/
https://www.juliantrubin.com/schooldirectory/jewishscientists.html

The countertheory can likewise be summed up in a few words:
1. Science and religion are not opposed.
2. Science is the study of how the physical world works. It does not require worship of the physical world, nor does it dismiss the possibility of a s
3. Therefore, scientists can be of any belief. Likewise, religious people can be of any scientific background, from Flat Earther to believing in pretty much every scientific concept.
4. What is incompatible with faith is scientific secularism, because scientific secularism is the idea that religion cannot be scientific, while it pushes its own faith, one that worships climate and social justice. (Yeahhhh, you guys aren't fooling anyone)

A house divided indeed. Those of scientific secularism worship a so-called science, which does not in fact study the universe but claims there is consensus. That is called dogma, where there is an official belief that you're not allowed to question. Who does not understand the scientific method, yet insists we "follow the science." What science? You're not following science, you're at odds with yourself, saying scientific people can't have any faith (impossible, humans always have faith) and then subscribing to a faith of your own.

I agree with almost all of this. I would remove the word "climate"... where as social justice is not science climate definitely is science.

Science can only answer questions that can be objectively measured and tested. This is great for building airplanes or curing diseases. There are lots of questions; such as the existence of God or the meaning of justice, that can't be answered by science.

That is why we still need religion of one kind or another.

Frank, I define religion a little differently than you do.

You can not have a belief in human rights without religion. In order to believe that humans have rights, or have a concept of justice, or have an idea of what's right, you need to have a concept that there are things beyond what can be measured by science.

These are religious beliefs. If you believe in human rights, whether you attach these to a anthropomorphic deity, or just some concept of rightness in the universe is just window dressing.

I have yet to find a sane, well-adjusted human being who truly has no beliefs in the supernatural. Sometimes they pretend their supernatural beliefs are based on science. They are fooling themselves.

Frank, I acknowledge the argument you are making. And yes... if what you are saying is true then you have no religious beliefs.

There are some emotionally troubling outcomes from this. For one thing, you can't have any concept of "evil". If you forgo any beliefs, than any society that flourishes is fine even if it consists of a race based caste system, or slavery, or killing handicapped people.

If you are really making this stance, then I respect it in terms of intellectual purity. I am not willing to go there.

If you are convinced that one cannot conceive of (what you refer to as) EVIL unless one makes guesses and calls the guesses "beliefs"...