Tire sealant

@dalehileman,

Slime is a polyvinyl alcohol. Polyvinyl alcohols are water soluble. So if your slimed tire gets wet it is highly possible that the slimed hole will become unslimed.

As for tubes you can use slime in tubed tires--you can even purchase already slimed bicycle tubes at the big box stores.

As for sliming car tires, I wouldn't recommend sliming them for two reasons--slime is polyvinyl alcohol and polyvinyl alcohols are water soluble and tubeless ATV and lawn mower tires operate at much lower pressure than automobile tires and a sudden flat tire on ATVs and lawn mowers aren't usually as catastrophic as automobiles.

Rap

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@raprap,

Thank you Rap for that report

How did you come to know such

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@dalehileman,

I was riding a bicycle with slimed tubes in the fountain at Denver's City Park and they went flat.

Rap

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@raprap,

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car tires, I wouldn't recommend sliming them….sudden flat tire on ATVs and lawn mowers aren't usually as catastrophic as automobiles.

Interesting consideration. In the case of tubeless however one would suppose them more prone to slow leak than tubed, so ideal candidate for slime

However its maker by specifying, " for ATV and mower" evidently would agree with you, thereby hedging his bet

However your assertion "you can use slime in tubed tires" does leave open the possibility its use in auto tube. I'll bet they had formed a committee which debated for two weeks how to label their new product so as to preclude the eventual lawsuit

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I was riding a bicycle with slimed tubes in the fountain at Denver's City Park and they went flat.

You've made my entire day Rap (pun unintentional)

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@dalehileman,

No one in their right mind would ever use tire sealant on a passenger or truck tire. With the exception of emergency use until you can get the tire fixed or replaced; ASAP not in several hundred miles or next month. I am pretty sure you will also find that these sealants specify sealing “tread” leaks. Using these products to fix bead or, especially, a sidewall issue is nuts.

I don’t care what their marketing says there is no way that these products maintain structural integrity as well as the original tire, specifying the tread and “scientific testing” notwithstanding. It is also not a good idea to add chemicals to tire surfaces or specifically to attempt to integrate them into the pores. This is one reason most (all?) of these chemical compounds are water soluble, because benzene, cyclohexane, etc. bleeding out of the sealant would be very efficient in causing the tire to disintegrate.

Unless you are really strange no one is going to first put a tube in a tubeless tire to fix a leak and then sealant in the tube to fix the next leak. It would be cheaper to just buy a new tire for Pete’s sake!

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@Zarathustra,

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No one in their right mind would ever use tire sealant on a passenger or truck tire.

Yes at 82 with incipient Alz's my judgment is frequently called into q, yes, esp hereabout

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With the exception of emergency use until you can get the tire fixed or replaced;

I had understood that the a tubeless is more prone to slow leak around the rim, easily rectified by use of the substance

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ASAP not in several hundred miles or next month.

Are you suggesting Zara that if I experience a slow leak in a new tubeless that I should immediately drive to the tire shop

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I am pretty sure you will also find that these sealants specify sealing “tread” leaks.

Forgive me Zara but there's no such prominent specification unless on the back side with 400 words of small print

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Using these products to fix bead or, especially, a sidewall issue is nuts.

Why

One might think ideal for that application as I indicated. Alas, where have I gone wrong

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I don’t care what their marketing says there is no way that these products maintain structural integrity as well as the original tire,

Forgive me Z, but I'm not just entirely clear how such a seal could be considered "structural"

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specifying the tread and “scientific testing” notwithstanding.

I'm not sure they've made any such claim but if you're willing to pay me at the current rate for research of this sort…….

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It is also not a good idea to add chemicals to tire surfaces or specifically to attempt to integrate them into the pores.

How else would one do it, short of dropping in at your friendly local tire establishment for installation of a tube

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This is one reason most (all?) of these chemical compounds are water soluble, because benzene, cyclohexane, etc. bleeding out of the sealant would be very efficient in causing the tire to disintegrate.

That's interesting and thanks for the expo but you might elaborate on the choice for a sealant for you seem to imply that the more dangerous product is still available

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Unless you are really strange

So many persistent a2k participants apparently terribly angry at all times about nearly everything, appear to conclude

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no one is going to first put a tube in a tubeless tire to fix a leak and then sealant in the tube to fix the next leak.

Don't know why not as tubes haver slow leaks too. What prompted my q's is our pullcart using tubes, all four go flat after some months of use, a real nuisance at 82 when it has become a large part of my outdoor activity while not one of my most fun projects

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It would be cheaper to just buy a new tire for Pete’s sake!

In fact we had considered that. It's Harbor Freight I believe that offers an entire wheel for four dollars. But I'm not sure it would fit on our cart so I'd have to try one

However in the modern world it costs about $2 a mile to drive an ordinary car, while the firm is about 12 mi distant, for a total cost of $28, considerably more of course it I wanted to return it. So instead I just squirt some goop into the tubes

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@dalehileman,

Dale...

I've been avoiding this thread do to a lack of patience, but Ima give it a quick try.

slime is good for small stuff. for a number of reasons, but not something I would recommend in a passenger vehicle or truck...

number one, it is expensive, and would require a large bottle of the crap.

two, it is not a permanent repair.

take the tire to a repair shop and have it professionally patched from the inside.

unless the leak is in the sidewall. then throw it away and get another tire.

sidewall repairs can lead to a blowout...

and if you slime a tire, you will have a hard time finding a shop that will repair it afterwards. the **** stays inside in a liquid form, and makes a hella mess when the tire is removed from the wheel.

I refuse to touch a tire that has been slimed, and if I get one without a warning from the customer, there is a $25 cleanup fee, and I will refuse to take work from them again...

good luck.

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@Rockhead,

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I've been avoiding this thread do to a lack of patience, but Ima give it a quick try.

Why thank you Rock

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slime…….not something I would recommend in a passenger vehicle or truck……..number one, it is expensive, …would require a large bottle…...

My boys have left me a near-full bottle of the stuff

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two, it is not a permanent repair.

Dunno, I'm hardly a scientist but I'd think, around the rim at least, that it might slow an existing leak 'til the rubber settled at least. At my age I don't worry if the leak is likely to resume four years later

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take the tire to a repair shop and have it professionally patched from the inside.

…at a loss of three hours, a round-trip cost of $24 wear and tear on our auto plus repair cost of $15-20; but the leak was too slow and so they couldn't find it so you take it back three weeks later for a total cost of maybe $68 not including your time, and almost a full day you could have been doing something more constructive

No thanks, I'll just squirt in a little Slime

That'w w/cap by the way (forgive pun)

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unless the leak is in the sidewall. then throw it away and get another tire.

$68 + $100; but your BH comes along so it's $40 for lunch out for $208 so far….

….whereupon you discover the new one leaks also

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sidewall repairs can lead to a blowout...and if you slime a tire, you will have a hard time finding a shop that will repair it afterwards.

Alas my potential problems are infinite in scope and hopeless of resolution

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the **** stays inside in a liquif form, and makes a hella mess when the tire is removed from the wheel.

Geez guys, I'm so sorry

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I refuse to touch…….there is a $25 cleanup fee, and I will refuse to take work from them again...good luck.

Thanks Rock I will skirt your establishment

What's it called by the way

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@dalehileman,

I am not going to bother answering point by point and will ignore your constant “everyone is mad at me” for simple conversational use of common metaphors.

Let me just say this. I worked my way through multiple degrees working in the tire industry, from the floor to tire building to the labs. I have built, conservatively, 100,000 tires of all types including for Rick Mears Racing, for diamond mines in South Africa, white tires Corning Glass uses for machines to clean out glass furnaces, and many types you have never heard of, besides “everyday” tires.

For anyone who really is interested I say use these products in an emergency only and use with care. While I could give anyone the chaper and verse on anything tire you want I think that is the important point.

As for you, I think everyone has figured out the 82 yeard old Alzheimer’s for just another troll ploy. Why not change your screen name again and your MO this one is getting stale.

And I recomend you use these products wih my compliments!

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@dalehileman,

"Thanks Rock I will skirt your establishment

What's it called by the way"

I call it "the shop".

and I don't have a sign. or take walk ins.

by appointment only, and if I don't know you you get to explain how you came by my number.

I have a tire machine, mostly for personal use, so I don't have to pay to have my own tire work done.

I do mostly sheet metal repair and restoration work now, so I don't use it very often.

a few of my friends know it's here, but they are under orders not to tell anyone. in exchange for an occasional patch job...

a spray bottle full of soapy water and a little patience should let you find your own leak. then you can decide what is a safe and appropriate fix.

you could just have a seeping valve core, and no need to fill your tire with noxious chemicals in the first place...

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@Zarathustra,

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Let me just say this. I worked my way through multiple degrees working in the tire industry, from the floor to tire building to the labs.

And I thank you Zara for your interest in my yes somewhat whimsical posting

…although I have found the expert tends to get carried away with his profession. For years my GP treated me for hypertension until I had to go to the nephrologist for some reason, who advised me if I have a kidney problem it's good to have high blood pressure, whereupon he took me off all my former meds and prescribed several more, one of them so expensive that over the period I hope to survive it will have cost me $32,000

If I visit a heart specialist I'd expect he's have a certain input also, another $32,000 prescription ad infinitum

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Why not change your screen name again and your MO this one is getting stale.

But please don't feel obliged to read my postings, much less reply, I wouldn't mind at all

Sorry Zara just couldn't resist

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@Rockhead,

Thanks Rock I will skirt your establishment….What's it called by the way

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I call it "the shop".

Good, concise handle

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and I don't have a sign. or take walk ins.

Then how would I know where to go

Don't answer that

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by appointment only, and if I don't know you you get to explain how you came by my number.

If you're anywhere near Victorville, Ca, I am [email protected] and apparently don't care who knows it

How are your rates

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I have a tire machine, mostly for personal use, so I don't have to pay to have my own tire work done.

My wheels in two halves held together with screws, very clever I thought, why haven't they been doing this for years, zipzap zoom and they're apart, no big machinery required, just a wrench

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I do mostly sheet metal repair and restoration work now, so I don't use it very often.

Interesting. Any artsy products

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a few of my friends know it's here, but they are under orders not to tell anyone. in exchange for an occasional patch job...

I don't admit my own capabilities as an erstwhile inventor so our family friends do all kids of things for us, seeing me an an ancient, incompetent old coot

But not really incompetent

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a spray bottle full of soapy water and a little patience should let you find your own leak. then you can decide what is a safe and appropriate fix.

Yes of course but an out-and-out immediate flat, goes to the tire store

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you could just have a seeping valve core, and no need to fill your tire with noxious chemicals in the first place...

Oh yes Rock I'm fully aware of the old trick where you lick your thumb

I'm not entirely under the influence of Alzy

..yet

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@Zarathustra,

But Zara getting back to wheels, tires and sealants as an erstwhile inventor I am wondering why car wheels can't be made like those on my wagon, that is in sandwich form. Remove the bolts and CLINK it falls apart so you can change or service the tire or tube yourself without special equipment, no longer at the mercy of your Friendly Local Tire Establishment

Of course we'd have to have some sort of membrane between, but that seems entirely feasible

But this time i'm perfectly serious though I hope you can forgive my former whimsy, it wasn't intended to enrage

Burt speaking of trolls…...

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No need for tire sealant here.

http://www.toxel.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/steelbike.jpg

Rap

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@dalehileman,

Its merely because of the speeds at which travel occurs, goop gains inherent energy and change in direction at wheel lock for example can cause a major tear.
Tubes are more prone to shift and such.

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@nothingtodo,

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…...goop gains inherent energy and change in direction at wheel lock…….

Sorry Todo but you might clarify that just a bit

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@dalehileman,

Well, the inertia involved in an emergency braking at speeds of 30 mph is quite dramatic on any material with the required solidity and mass for plugging a hole, not mentioning the remainder around the interior gripping it. Who can say for certain that all pump systems are not containing chemical substances for definite?.. who knows how that loosens parts of it, or what deteriorates over time?.

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@nothingtodo,

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Well, the…….. inertia…...emergency braking…...is quite dramatic on any material with the required solidity……...

What you're saying then, Tod, is that the material tends to gather around the leak in a significant mass, enough so even to resist braking

Intuitively I'd disagree. Surely it would contribute to an offset or unbalance that might cause vibration

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=serp&gs_mss=cause%20auto%20wheel%20%20unbalance%20cause%20vibration&pq=cause%20auto%20wheel%20%20unbalance%20cause%20vibration&cp=27&gs_id=30&xhr=t&q=cause+auto+wheel++unbalance+vibration&pf=p&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&oq=cause+auto+wheel++unbalance+vibration&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=58929b6891e33653&bpcl=39967673&biw=1445&bih=763&bs=1

but I can't believe it would significantly interfere with braking

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Who can say for certain that all pump systems are not containing chemical substances for definite?..

Sorry Tod but there appears to be a typo in the foregoing q which you might clarify

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who knows how that loosens parts of it, or what deteriorates over time?.

Yes I have often wondered about that eventuality myself but you might elaborate on how this consideration bears on the q at hand

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@dalehileman,

The offset imbalance is negligible in a car tire.
Weights of x grams are used, holes plugged by compounds require 10% max of that weight. I did not suggest it would interfere with braking, I am suggesting the breaking interferes with the overhang of goop to goop cohesion and also the peeling factor, which may also be heightened in some compounds by cracking or rather perishing. It is quite clear that in extremus, all contact points of any material suffer bend to joint separation. In extreme braking, centrifugal grip ends and sudden angled direction takes place.

I am not of the language correction variety of mindset, I care not, provided I can comprehend the question or answer.

Deterioration of even tires themselves is speeded by certain elements as you quite clearly know, you appear to seek me raising my bar that you might continue to pick fault.

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