H2O MAN
 
Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2012 02:16 pm



U.N. CELEBRATES OBAMA RE-ELECTION BY PUSHING GLOBAL GUN CONTROL

 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2012 02:22 pm
You didn't get a response you liked when you started the other thread, so you thought y ou'd start over? Have the blue helmets come for your guns yet, Bubba?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2012 04:02 pm
@H2O MAN,
I think there was a typo in that Press release Spurt.

I think they meant Bellevue Hospital not Bellevue, Wa.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2012 06:46 am
http://teotwawki.ws/wp-content/uploads/molon_labe_un1.jpg
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 07:26 pm
@H2O MAN,


The NRA is more powerful than the UN. The treaty will never become law in the US.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 07:28 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
You didn't get a response you liked when you started the other thread, so you thought y ou'd start over?


There's another new thread on this? Or are you referring to one of the two old ones?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 07:49 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:



The NRA is more powerful than the UN. The treaty will never become law in the US.


I hope this is true.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 09:22 pm
@H2O MAN,
The NRA is more powerful than the UN but I notice no one is worried about armed NRA members taking over the country. The things some people worry about is sometimes amazing.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 07:56 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
oralloy wrote:


The NRA is more powerful than the UN. The treaty will never become law in the US.


I hope this is true.


I'm sure there will be a few extremists senators who will vote for the treaty if it were brought before the Senate, but most of them will be falling all over themselves to register a vote against it.

There should be at least 80 votes against the treaty, but I'm hoping for 90 votes against it. The NRA has already made clear their severe opposition to this treaty, so everyone knows that if they vote for it, they will be picking a fight with the NRA.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 08:22 am
@parados,


Why do you think the NRA would want to take over the country?

Isn't the rule of Obama as wonderful as you expected it would be?

parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 08:35 am
@H2O MAN,
Why do you think the UN would want to take over the country? Is Obama not the dictator you think he is?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 08:35 am


The US has experienced record gun sales since late 2007 and gun
violence has dropped significantly during the same time period.

Liberals should agree that more guns really does equal less crime.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 08:40 am
@H2O MAN,
Gun violence has dropped since 2007? Really? What is your source? Can we blame it on Obama?
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 08:42 am
@H2O MAN,
By the way Spurt... You do realize that violent crime doesn't always involve a gun, don't you? So if you are using FBI violent crime stats, you are making a false conclusion.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 01:00 pm
@parados,
This surprises you why?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 01:19 pm
@RABEL222,
The FBI violent crime stats are interesting.

Under Clinton violent crime dropped 35% in 8 years.
Under Bush it dropped 2% over 8 years.
Under Obama it has dropped 16% in 3 years.

Over that same time period we see a decrease in the number of households with guns.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2012/7/25/1343236603310/Percentage-of-households--001.jpg

If we want to correlate gun ownership and violent crime then I guess we could make the argument that if fewer people have more of the guns then the crime rate would drop even more. If one person had all the guns in the US then the crime rate would drop even more.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 01:33 pm
@parados,
Here is another interesting chart
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/sgcossbzcei5hhmpeq0ryq.gif
From 1992 to 2000 Gun ownership went from 50% to 41% and violent crime dropped by 35%.
From 2002 to 2008 gun ownership went from 44% to 43% and violent crime dropped by 2%
From 2008 to 2011 gun ownership went from 44% to 41% and violent crime dropped by 16%.


There certainly seems to be a correlation between gun ownership and violent crime.
FBI stats are here...
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1
Also interesting is the increase in murders from 2000-2002 and 2005-2007 that occur in the same time frames that gun ownership increases.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 03:39 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
The FBI violent crime stats are interesting.

Under Clinton violent crime dropped 35% in 8 years.
Under Bush it dropped 2% over 8 years.
Under Obama it has dropped 16% in 3 years.


Poverty causes crime. Democratic social programs reduce poverty.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:01 pm
@oralloy,
And what major changes were made in social programs to reduce poverty in the last 20 years?
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2012 05:32 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
And what major changes were made in social programs to reduce poverty in the last 20 years?


Never really thought about it. No idea.
 

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