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21 ways rich people think differently

 
 
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 01:12 pm
@DrewDad,
I'm not talking about kids either DD.

But why are you commenting about someone having X amount of time doing anything, when you can't know if that's the proper amount for them?

How do you know someone is making a trade off, unless they tell you?

You putting forth comments like "they don't spend a lot of time doing XYZ" then backing up and saying "But I wasn't saying that wasn't right for them" doesn't mean anything then.

Of course there are trade off's in life, I think everyone knows that. I sure do. Even doing the thing you enjoy most as aspects that are not so great. Duh.

That said, I guess I'm not sure at all what you were getting at.

People you know don't spend as much time as you do with their kids, gardening, at the titty bar, whatever....., or maybe they spend more, but you're not saying there's anything wrong with that.....you were just saying. Somehow you connect that with theirs, and yours, financial success. You don't even know if these people you bring up are rich, or living on credit cards.

So far I hear you saying different people spend different amounts of times doing different things....and that they may or may not be happy with that.

Maybe some people you know work more, make more because they're supporting a mistress, or taking drugs, and it has nothing to do with money at all.

No, you didn't say this, and you didn't say that. I'm really trying to figure out what you ARE saying. Besides you like to take your kids to the pool.

What are you actually saying DD?

chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 01:16 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Here's the relevant portion of what I said:

DrewDad wrote:
I could make a lot more money than I do now, but it would require working longer hours, and giving up things that make me happy. I'd much rather take my kids swimming, thanks.



Ok, You posted whilst I was typing.

Ok....yeah, I read and understood that.....so?

Are you saying riches will always ellude you because you may be thinking in a linear fashion?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 01:34 pm
@chai2,
Non-linear thinking being a skill that just anyone can develop?



Most wealth comes from linear thinking, hard work, and knowing how to keep your customers happy.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 01:37 pm
@DrewDad,
I think more wealth is created with non-linear thinking, and making yourself your best customer.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 01:40 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
What are you actually saying DD?

I've said it, and I've no idea why you fail to understand it.

Perhaps you're too non-linear in your thinking.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:04 pm
@DrewDad,
Yes, (she said with pride) I am not a linear thinker!

I just read a funny story while looking up linear thinking and income/money....

Really made me smile, and I know this kind of thing happens all the time.

ok....man walks into a bank and asks for a $5000 loan, needs the money right away as he is going out of the country that night for a week. Says he will use his Ferrari, parked out front, as collateral. Manager agrees, says the loan will be at 15%. Manager gives him the money, takes the car and stores in a safe place.

Man comes back in a week and pays back the $5K, plus $15 (5000 x 15% / 52 weeks)
Manager says while he was gone he check on him, and saw he was one of the wealthiest men in the state. So why did he need $5000 when that was pocket change?

Man said "where else could I store my Ferrari for $15 for the week, in a secure location?"

DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:14 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

Yes, (she said with pride) I am not a linear thinker!

I just read a funny story while looking up linear thinking and income/money....

Really made me smile, and I know this kind of thing happens all the time.

ok....man walks into a bank and asks for a $5000 loan, needs the money right away as he is going out of the country that night for a week. Says he will use his Ferrari, parked out front, as collateral. Manager agrees, says the loan will be at 15%. Manager gives him the money, takes the car and stores in a safe place.

Man comes back in a week and pays back the $5K, plus $15 (5000 x 15% / 52 weeks)
Manager says while he was gone he check on him, and saw he was one of the wealthiest men in the state. So why did he need $5000 when that was pocket change?

Man said "where else could I store my Ferrari for $15 for the week, in a secure location?"



That is quite non-linear, indeed. That math, in particular, kinda jumps all over the place.

Where does this man store his car when he's not going out of the country, I wonder....



Makes a good story, but somehow it doesn't pass the common sense test.



P.S. Loans, even loans with collateral, still have loan origination fees.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:19 pm
@DrewDad,
uhhhh...yeah....you are a linear thinker for sure.....

this is obviously a joke story, but is a prime example of how a non-linear thinker will take advantage of the best deal, by thinking creatively.

I said things Like this happen, not this particular instance.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:22 pm
@chai2,
Well, hell, if it sounds like a good story, then similar stuff must happen all of the time!
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:23 pm
nobody that I've ever known with a ferrari or similar vehicle would ever think of leaving it with a banker.

just sayin'...
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:32 pm
@Rockhead,
And borrowing money against a car doesn't mean the bank stores the vehicle, either.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:38 pm
@DrewDad,
You know DD, you are just being petty.

Yes, good story or not, I'm sure people who don't think that step a leads to step b leads to step c, and never in any other order, makes things like that happen all the time, and profit from it.

I'm sure you know the story of Wall Drug....you know....free glass of water? I mean what could have been simpler? How many people really had to stop for that free water? But, they did because they were getting something free....then bought something at the store.

Wall Drug was one of the original come on in and have a glass of tea, now you're here, look around places.

Non linear, thinking outside the box if you will, whatever phrase you want to use.

If you're your best customer and keep yourself happy a combination of pleasing others so you can continue your happiness, and/or your happiness rubbing off on the customers just follows.

Me? I'm annoyed at places where they feel they have to follow a script to take care of you....from their word for word greeting, to the particular way only a certain person can perform a certain function. It's like watching cogs in a wheel turn.

They don't sometimes even end up giving you the best they can, because they have to stay on this line....a, then b, never c first.

Hey Rocky, you're right....I leave my Ferrari with roland. Let him drive it around. otis plays wing man.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:40 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

And borrowing money against a car doesn't mean the bank stores the vehicle, either.


Oh good god.....are you for real?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:42 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

You know DD, you are just being petty.

No, just linear, I guess.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:44 pm
@chai2,
stinky has good car habits (he was raised in a body shop)

but bubba was demoted from shop kitty because of her propensity toward walking on whatever she pleased.

customers hate paw prints...

I think you hafta have a good mix of linear and out of the box skills to really excel.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:45 pm
@chai2,
In my experience, most people are very bad at linear thinking.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:46 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
Oh good god.....are you for real?

I kinda wondered that about you, when you tried to use a joke to support your thesis about how rich people think.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 02:58 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
A cut and paste from Yahoo. I highlighted certain sections that jumped out at me, there were others not highlighted I found true to.

Discuss.....


..21 Ways Rich People Think Differently

By Mandi Woodruff | Business Insider – Tue, Sep 4, 2012 10:50 AM EDT
World's richest woman Gina Rinehart is enduring a media firestorm over an article in which she takes the "jealous" middle class to task for "drinking, or smoking and socializing" rather than working to earn their own fortune.

What if she has a point?

Steve Siebold, author of "How Rich People Think," spent nearly three decades interviewing millionaires around the world to find out what separates them from everyone else.

It had little to do with money itself, he told Business Insider. It was about their mentality.

"[The middle class] tells people to be happy with what they have," he said. "And on the whole, most people are steeped in fear when it comes to money."


Average people think MONEY is the root of all evil. Rich people believe POVERTY is the root of all evil.

"The average person has been brainwashed to believe rich people are lucky or dishonest," Siebold writes.That's why there's a certain shame that comes along with "getting rich" in lower-income communities.

"The world class knows that while having money doesn't guarantee happiness, it does make your life easier and more enjoyable."

2. Average people think selfishness is a vice. Rich people think selfishness is a virtue.

"The rich go out there and try to make themselves happy. They don't try to pretend to save the world," Siebold told Business Insider.

The problem is that middle class people see that as a negative––and it's keeping them poor, he writes.

"If you're not taking care of you, you're not in a position to help anyone else. You can't give what you don't have."

Average people have a lottery mentality. Rich people have an action mentality.

"While the masses are waiting to pick the right numbers and praying for prosperity, the great ones are solving problems," Siebold writes.

"The hero [middle class people] are waiting for may be God, government, their boss or their spouse. It's the average person's level of thinking that breeds this approach to life and living while the clock keeps ticking away."


4. Average people think the road to riches is paved with formal education. Rich people believe in acquiring specific knowledge.
PERSONAL NOTE: I love love LOVE this one. I greatly question this attitude today that everyone who can should get formal education, mostly via college. More and more, young people are getting degrees that have nothing to do with the work they will seek, and I have an issue with that. People talk about "the college experience", "learning critical thinking there" etc. IMHO more people need to get out and gain life experience, not 4 more years of classes, and if parents are footing the bill, 4 more years of prolonged childhood. If you want a general education do so when you're paying for it, or study it on your own. There, I said it.
"Many world-class performers have little formal education, and have amassed their wealth through the acquisition and subsequent sale of specific knowledge," he writes.

"Meanwhile, the masses are convinced that master's degrees and doctorates are the way to wealth, mostly because they are trapped in the linear line of thought that holds them back from higher levels of consciousness...The wealthy aren't interested in the means, only the end."


Average people long for the good old days. Rich people dream of the future.

"Self-made millionaires get rich because they're willing to bet on themselves and project their dreams, goals and ideas into an unknown future," Siebold writes.

"People who believe their best days are behind them rarely get rich, and often struggle with unhappiness and depression."

6. Average people see money through the eyes of emotion. Rich people think about money logically.

"An ordinarily smart, well-educated and otherwise successful person can be instantly transformed into a fear-based, scarcity driven thinker whose greatest financial aspiration is to retire comfortably," he writes.

"The world class sees money for what it is and what it's not, through the eyes of logic. The great ones know money is a critical tool that presents options and opportunities."

7. Average people earn money doing things they don't love. Rich people follow their passion.

"To the average person, it looks like the rich are working all the time," Siebold says. "But one of the smartest strategies of the world class is doing what they love and finding a way to get paid for it."

On the other hand, middle class take jobs they don't enjoy "because they need the money and they've been trained in school and conditioned by society to live in a linear thinking world that equates earning money with physical or mental effort."

8. Average people set low expectations so they're never disappointed. Rich people are up for the challenge.

"Psychologists and other mental health experts often advise people to set low expectations for their life to ensure they are not disappointed," Siebold writes.

"No one would ever strike it rich and live their dreams without huge expectations."


Average people believe you have to DO something to get rich. Rich people believe you have to BE something to get rich.

"That's why people like Donald Trump go from millionaire to nine billion dollars in debt and come back richer than ever," he writes.

"While the masses are fixated on the doing and the immediate results of their actions, the great ones are learning and growing from every experience, whether it's a success or a failure, knowing their true reward is becoming a human success machine that eventually produces outstanding results."

10. Average people believe you need money to make money. Rich people use other people's money.

Linear thought might tell people to make money in order to earn more, but Siebold says the rich aren't afraid to fund their future from other people's pockets.

"Rich people know not being solvent enough to personally afford something is not relevant. The real question is, 'Is this worth buying, investing in, or pursuing?'" he writes.


11. Average people believe the markets are driven by logic and strategy. Rich people know they're driven by emotion and greed.

Investing successfully in the stock market isn't just about a fancy math formula.

"The rich know that the primary emotions that drive financial markets are fear and greed, and they factor this into all trades and trends they observe," Siebold writes.

"This knowledge of human nature and its overlapping impact on trading give them strategic advantage in building greater wealth through leverage."

12. Average people live beyond their means. Rich people live below theirs.
"Here's how to live below your means and tap into the secret wealthy people have used for centuries: Get rich so you can afford to," he writes.

"The rich live below their means, not because they're so savvy, but because they make so much money that they can afford to live like royalty while still having a king's ransom socked away for the future."


Average people teach their children how to survive. Rich people teach their kids to get rich.

Rich parents teach their kids from an early age about the world of "haves" and "have-nots," Siebold says. Even he admits many people have argued that he's supporting the idea of elitism.

He disagrees.

"[People] say parents are teaching their kids to look down on the masses because they're poor. This isn't true," he writes. "What they're teaching their kids is to see the world through the eyes of objective reality––the way society really is."

If children understand wealth early on, they'll be more likely to strive for it later in life.

14. Average people let money stress them out. Rich people find peace of mind in wealth.

The reason wealthy people earn more wealth is that they're not afraid to admit that money can solve most problems, Siebold says.

"[The middle class] sees money as a never-ending necessary evil that must be endured as part of life. The world class sees money as the great liberator, and with enough of it, they are able to purchase financial peace of mind.

15. Average people would rather be entertained than educated. Rich people would rather be educated than entertained.
While the rich don't put much stock in furthering wealth through formal education, they appreciate the power of learning long after college is over, Siebold says.

"Walk into a wealthy person's home and one of the first things you'll see is an extensive library of books they've used to educate themselves on how to become more successful," he writes.

"The middle class reads novels, tabloids and entertainment magazines."

16. Average people think rich people are snobs. Rich people just want to surround themselves with like-minded people.

The negative money mentality poisoning the middle class is what keeps the rich hanging out with the rich, he says.

"[Rich people] can't afford the messages of doom and gloom," he writes. "This is often misinterpreted by the masses as snobbery.

Labeling the world class as snobs is another way the middle class finds to feel better bout themselves and their chosen path of mediocrity."

Average people focus on saving. Rich people focus on earning.

Siebold theorizes that the wealthy focus on what they'll gain by taking risks, rather than how to save what they have.

"The masses are so focused on clipping coupons and living frugally they miss major opportunities," he writes.

"Even in the midst of a cash flow crisis, the rich reject the nickle and dime thinking of the masses. They are the masters of focusing their mental energy where it belongs: on the big money."

18. Average people play it safe with money. Rich people know when to take risks.

"Leverage is the watchword of the rich," Siebold writes.

"Every investor loses money on occasion, but the world class knows no matter what happens, they will aways be able to earn more."


19. Average people love to be comfortable. Rich people find comfort in uncertainty.

For the most part, it takes guts to take the risks necessary to make it as a millionaire––a challenge most middle class thinkers aren't comfortable living with.

"Physical, psychological, and emotional comfort is the primary goal of the middle class mindset," Siebold writes.

World class thinkers learn early on that becoming a millionaire isn't easy and the need for comfort can be devastating. They learn to be comfortable while operating in a state of ongoing uncertainty."

20. Average people never make the connection between money and health. Rich people know money can save your life.

While the middle class squabbles over the virtues of Obamacare and their company's health plan, the super wealthy are enrolled in a super elite "boutique medical care" association, Siebold says.

"They pay a substantial yearly membership fee that guarantees them 24-hour access to a private physician who only serves a small group of members," he writes.

"Some wealthy neighborhoods have implemented this strategy and even require the physician to live in the neighborhood."


21. Average people believe they must choose between a great family and being rich. Rich people know you can have it all.

The idea the wealth must come at the expense of family time is nothing but a "cop-out", Siebold says.

"The masses have been brainwashed to believe it's an either/or equation," he writes. "The rich know you can have anything you want if you approach the challenge with a mindset rooted in love and abundance."


From Steve Siebold, author of "How Rich People Think."

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There is quite a lot of wisdom there, Chai.
Its good for youth.





David
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 03:01 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

chai2 wrote:
Oh good god.....are you for real?

I kinda wondered that about you, when you tried to use a joke to support your thesis about how rich people think.


Good heavens DD, it was just a little break from the main subject. You know, a little humor? C'mon now, I know you get that, and you're just being itsy bitsy (that's an inside joke, and I don't mean for you to get it)

Rocky....you are correct sir. You do need a combination.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 12 Sep, 2012 03:15 pm
@maxdancona,
I guess I didn't take it as a superior way of thinking at all and didn't get the impression that is what the writer was getting at - just plain old different way of thinking.

Quote:
Re the 5'11 wanna be basketball star, well, common sense also needs to be added in the equation.

If you think the only way to enjoy your passion for B-ball is to actually be on the court, well, that's self limiting.
Someone with that passion for the game could find many other ways to have it in their lives.


I'm living this now - my daughter loves basketball she has a double whammy - she is average height for her age at 13 she is 5'2", but wants to play professional baskeball. Basketball is her passion she says.

A double whammy because being a girl her salary (if she were to make it) is tiny and her size is against her - we talked about it and it would simply make her happy just to be able to play. So yeah you can have it in your life too.
 

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