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It looks like it's Paul Ryan!!!

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 09:37 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You're suggesting that government intrusion into the lives of citizens should be based on whether or not the citizen can effectively argue that it is unnecessary or unfair rather than government demonstrating why they should?

In a democracy, the government should do whatever the people decide it should do, by way of their elected representatives. When we the people elect a Congress that decides to tax inheritances, that's reason enough the government should do it. There is nothing further to demonstrate.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 09:44 am
@Thomas,
And those of us that disagree with vote for representatives that will do away with such things. Good ol' democracy.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 10:13 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
And those of us that disagree with vote for representatives that will do away with such things. Good ol' democracy.

Indeed.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 10:14 am
Hi Mitt, It's me. Do the letters OVDI mean anything to you, other than looking like Roman numerals? "Overseas Voluntary Disclosure Initiative" . It was back in 2009, you probably don't remember.
The IRS gave an amnesty to anyone who had hidden accounts overseas to report them and pay any taxes due without penalty (even though even having such an account could constitute a felony, but that's why it was called an amnesty.)
Okay so, could we pretty please with sugar on top see your 2009 Tax Return, you don't even have to come up with the other bits of the 2011 you haven't released yet, just 2009, okay.

So we can see just how a big a crook, er overseas investor, you are.

Thanks, Your Friend,

Joe(I hope I am not disturbing you)Nation
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Harper
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 10:16 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
Provide an economic and legal framework in which the wealth could be earned in the first place. Indeed, without government-enacted laws, there wouldn't be any property. All there would be is possessions. But the legal title to those possessions is an artifact of government.


Not only that but the ability to be safe and secure in one's possessions is provided by government. Civilization, at least as we know it, cannot exist without some political framework and that framework must be funded: taxes.

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Harper
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 10:25 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
In a democracy, the government should do whatever the people decide it should do, by way of their elected representatives. When we the people elect a Congress that decides to tax inheritances, that's reason enough the government should do it. There is nothing further to demonstrate.


Furthermore, when families are permitted to transfer all their wealth to their heirs, they are able to create dynasties that mimic monarchies. We fought a war to break away from monarchic rule. I suggest estates should be taxed at a much higher rate to help "level the playing field" and create more equal opportunity for all.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 10:39 pm
@Harper,
Harper wrote:

Quote:
In a democracy, the government should do whatever the people decide it should do, by way of their elected representatives. When we the people elect a Congress that decides to tax inheritances, that's reason enough the government should do it. There is nothing further to demonstrate.


Furthermore, when families are permitted to transfer all their wealth to their heirs, they are able to create dynasties that mimic monarchies. We fought a war to break away from monarchic rule. I suggest estates should be taxed at a much higher rate to help "level the playing field" and create more equal opportunity for all.


How does taking money away from successful families and giving it to government level the playing field? It's not like all the sudden some poor guy is going to get the money. It goes to build 6 bolts on a tank. So the guy putting the bolts on the tank gets the benefit through a contract for a different business? Yeah, that's leveling the playing field alright.

Leveling the playing field is not a good reason to tax success. It keeps getting thrown around that business can't exist without govt and I say govt can't exist without business.

Taxes are all well and good and they provide for the common good, but that doesn't mean that taxes need to be outrageous, not does it mean our elected reps get a blank check, despite what they think.
Harper
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2012 11:12 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
How does taking money away from successful families and giving it to government level the playing field? It's not like all the sudden some poor guy is going to get the money.


No it doesn't happen "all of the sudden" it takes time. One example: (there are hundreds) the money goes to Pell Grants and/or funds full college tuition for someone whose parents never even got a chance to go to college and didn't make enough money to send their kid to college. Unlike what Mitt thinks, not everyone can just borrow money from their parents to go to college.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 06:02 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:

Taxes are all well and good and they provide for the common good, but that doesn't mean that taxes need to be outrageous, not does it mean our elected reps get a blank check, despite what they think.

Outrageous?
Taxes are there lowest since ww2. I don't think you know what outrageous means.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 09:44 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
It goes to build 6 bolts on a tank.


It's idiots like you, McG, that put up with that. The US doesn't need to spend all the trillions of dollars that it does. But y'all just keep lubing up and bending over, all to help them rape and pillage the poor of the world.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:35 pm
@parados,
I think Donald Trump's ego has been demolished with the selection of Ryan.

No worse than Ryan; the Don is still questioning Obama's birth place.

Dumb and dumber....
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 09:29 am
‎"His eyes are just so blue. It's like looking into a Smurf's anus."
PDiddie quoted this on facebook. Jon Stewart or somebody gets credit.
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