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Can humans be divided ito subspecies?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 04:36 am
@edgarblythe,
gunga likes to criticize anyone with real credentials and training and experience, As was said in Meyers article, Vendramini is a "showman" with no dog in the fight xcept one from which he can possibly profit. His hypothesis is just silly and gunga is one of those that Vendramini can count on "buying" and spreading like fungus spores.

The skull that Vendramini used was "Photomodified" and other characteristics are either silly or unprovable
The Neanderthal skull in the chimp silhouette is funny and has been debunked .
The shape of the neanderthal skull is quite like a humans and not like a great ape
Neanderthals feet were NOT like an ape at all.That all leads to a conclusion that He walked upright and had a center of balance that
was human, not chimpanzee-like

I always thought gunga was just having a joke but Im not so sure anymore. I wanna sell him some Saran Wrap futures
spendius
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 04:46 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
I wanna sell him some Saran Wrap futures


Who owns them now?

I read recently that skulls are swollen vertebrae. Top five. Which might make brains bone marrow. Is there anything in that fm?
farmerman
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 05:01 am
@spendius,
Youre asking the wrong guy. "Swollen vertebra" is kinda simplistic but if kids can use it, why not?

Eyespots and brain ganglia followed by a proto vertebral notochord gos back to the Burgess Shales and Flinders Rock fossils, SO the division of the vertebra brain eye and buchhal opening seems to be functional segmentation from the getgo.
spendius
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 05:07 am
@farmerman,
I think it was in Prof. Gray's Straw Dogs.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 05:55 am
Science, not wild fantasy, tells us Neanderthals looked like this.
http://www.rdos.net/neanderthal.jpg

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/naturelibrary/images/ic/credit/640x395/n/ne/neanderthal/neanderthal_1.jpg

Google Neanderthal images, and this is what comes up.
timur
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 06:24 am
@izzythepush,
You forgot the offspring:

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/neander.jpg
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:10 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
gunga likes to criticize anyone with real credentials and training and experience, As was said in Meyers article, Vendramini is a "showman" with no dog in the fight xcept one from which he can possibly profit......


Danny Vendramini DESERVES to profit, he's resolved a very large conceptual problem in paleoanthropology. I'm not aware of anything which Paul Z. Myers deserves to profit from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbmywzGAVs
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:11 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
The Neanderthal skull in the chimp silhouette is funny and has been debunked .


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515gMSi-4TL._SL500_SS500_.jpg
gungasnake
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:40 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Neanderthals feet were NOT like an ape at all.


Neanderthal footprint (real, not hypothetical):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_anatomy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Neanderthal_Foot_Print.jpg/800px-Neanderthal_Foot_Print.jpg
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farmerman
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:41 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
he's resolved a very large conceptual problem in paleoanthropology.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA . What "conceptual problem" is he able to even verbalize, let alone "resolve"

You are precious also gunga.
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:44 am
Quote:
The shape of the neanderthal skull is quite like a humans ...


If you could find a human with his eyes at the top of his forehead...

http://hugequestions.com/Eric/Neanderthals/Neanderthal-Cro-Magnon.jpg
farmerman
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:52 am
@gungasnake,
Thi is the skull that VEndramini presented his "analysis" from.
   http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRThuS1811L4mcXYrk3l8-68DsAxXHDUg-0Rlq1XQr76kpnDcnS


without any "leaning back" or image manipulation.
BTW, theres nothing ape like about the footyprints or the skull. Youre not helping your case at all.

Theres no evidence of a prehensile "ape" big toe, theres an arch an 5 toes where wed expect em.
edgarblythe
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:55 am
@farmerman,
Yep. It has three eyes. Good call, gunga. Laughing
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 10:22 am
@farmerman,
After some libtard rounded it with photoshop...

A general Google search on 'neanderthal skull' indicates that Neandrethal skulls were not generally round like that:

https://www.google.com/search?q=neanderthal+skull&client=opera&hs=Svp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=FeKpUujOLsPMrQGTwIDYAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=972

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66360000/jpg/_66360634_66360633.jpg
farmerman
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 10:46 am
@gungasnake,
so scientists are now "libtards", and cartoonists like Vendramini are what? Australian Patriots?

Vendramini used the La Ferrassie skull and everything that was done to it was of his doing, or was done under his direction.
You are seeing what you wish to see and no matter what, you will see "monkey faces" wherever.
Neanderthal was a separate species and was a bit more simian but Vendramini is just an entertainer who is pushing a movie and you are, just like your other dreams, buying it without question.

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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 11:00 am
Is there something wrong with my DNA?
I'm a normal hetero male who's attracted to white women, but women of any other race leave me cold and I could never want to make love to them in a million years..Smile
spendius
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 11:45 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
Quote:
Is there something wrong with my DNA?


If there is Romeo then I'm in the same state. Even white women with colonial accents and habits are a no-no for me.
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gungasnake
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 02:21 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
To me at least, and I'm basically white, a certain number of black/brown women are attractive and the only thing which really keeps most Asian women from being attractive is size. The one group of women which totally leaves me cold is Mexicans, who seem to range from just a little bit ugly at best to super ugly at worst.
spendius
 
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Thu 12 Dec, 2013 02:59 pm
@gungasnake,
I don't think it has anything to do with ugliness. That's a bit precious. There are plenty of ugly white women.

I think there is a subtle sense of species-ism. I noticed it many years ago and thought about it quite a bit. What I noticed was the relative speeds I turned the pages in certain glossy magazines. Or it might be more accurate to say the pages where I slowed down. Turning the pages I mean.

The general outlook was pretty plain to see I must confess. Nothing at all that wouldn't pass muster as a D-stream slut from the Lancashire mill towns having a go at modelling. I wobbled once with one from Watford.

Miscegnation is not a black and white thing. It's the opposite of gravity. It increases with the cube of the distance. And it is probably cultural rather than biological. The D-stream slut from the Lancashire mill towns has a distinctive mien which expresses her knowing what she is about. The others tend to look as if they know what they are doing alright but they have hold of the wrong end of the stick of why they are doing it.

And that's no good. Unless you're stuck I mean.

As Flaubert had Spendius's father be on landing at the Campagna docks after a week at sea journeying to Rome.
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hightor
 
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Tue 7 Dec, 2021 06:53 am
Human geneticists curb use of the term ‘race’ in their papers

Field still struggles with how to accurately describe populations, study finds

Quote:
Human geneticists have mostly abandoned the word “race” when describing populations in their papers, according to a new study of research published in a leading genetics journal. That’s in line with the current scientific understanding that race is a social construct, and a welcome departure from research that in the past has often conflated genetic variation and racial categories, says Vence Bonham, a social scientist at the National Human Genome Research Institute who led the study.

But alternative terms that have gained popularity, such as “ancestry” and “ethnicity,” can have ambiguous meanings or aren’t defined by genetics, suggesting researchers are still struggling to find the words to accurately describe groups delineated by their DNA, according to the study.

In the 19th and 20th centuries, many geneticists embraced the idea that there were races, such as “Negroid” or “Caucasian,” that were distinct biological groups; such “race science” helped perpetuate discrimination and inequality. (Scientists have now thoroughly demonstrated the lack of a biological basis to racial categories.)

To better understand how geneticists have used population descriptors over time, Bonham and an interdisciplinary team dove into the archives of The American Journal of Human Genetics (AJHG), which has the longest history in the field of genetics.

Editors of AJHG gave the team access to the journal’s entire archive. The researchers quantified specific terms in the full text of 11,635 articles published from 1949—the year the journal started—to 2018. They found the word “race” appeared in 22% of papers in the first decade, but its usage declined to 5% of papers in the most recent decade.

The decline in usage of “race” reflects how geneticists slowly came to understand race as “a social category with biological consequences,” the team writes in its paper, published today in AJHG.

The researchers also found that terms associated with racial groups, such as “Negro” and “Caucasian,” which were used in 21% and 12%, respectively, of papers in the first decade, started to decline after the 1970s. In the last decade, fewer than 1% of papers used those terms. This decline confirms such labels are “not based on immutable biological order but shift in tandem with social context,” the authors write.

“This paper provides a window to view the history of a society of scientists that had a big impact in how racial terminology and racial thinking was used,” says Rick Kittles, a geneticist at City of Hope National Medical Center who was not part of the study.

When “race” is used in genetics papers today, the study found, it’s more likely to be accompanied by the terms “ethnicity” or “ancestry,” perhaps because the ambiguity of the terms led researchers to simply combine them and therefore dodge their definitions. “That just means that geneticists are as confused as everyone else,” says Fatimah Jackson, a biological anthropologist at Howard University who was not part of the study.

The National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine recently established a committee to produce a consensus report on the use of “race” and other terms as population descriptors in health disparities research. Other researchers are exploring how to adopt an antiracist posture in genetic publications. “One can’t be cavalier about how one describes populations,” says Bruce Korf, a geneticist at the University of Alabama, Birmingham, and editor-in-chief of AJHG. “You need to be intentional.”

“Although the paper deals specifically with the use of language, the words in many cases have deeper roots that we must face as a community,” Korf writes in an accompanying editorial. He says AJHG is updating its author guidelines and working on the phrasing of population descriptors.

To acknowledge that past geneticists helped shape the racial categories still used to discriminate today, the American Society of Human Genetics (ASHG), which publishes AJHG, yesterday announced the launch of a yearlong project to explore past injustices perpetrated through genetics, such as eugenics. Kittle, who is part of the new initiative, says it was spurred by the Black Lives Matter movement. “It’s important to recognize [ASHG’s past links to racism] in an effort to correct and provide a healing in the future,” he says. And in the next 2 days, researchers will discuss the history of eugenics in a series of talks at the National Human Genome Research Institute.

“About time,” Jackson says about ASHG’s new initiative. She hopes panelists “look into the deep historical roots and come up with alternative models that will guide us.”

“This won't be the end of it,” Jackson says. “But it’s the right direction.”

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