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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 04:27 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
BillRM wrote:
Sorry can you be sure that the can of gasoline will only be used to fuel a lawnmower and not be used to kill 39 people at an after hour club?


That's the why develop a vaccine to get rid of one deadly disease when people can still die of other diseases illogical argument.


A bit of a difference between "a disease" and "a guy bent on massacre".

One can think and choose a different method if the easiest way is blocked. The other can't.



firefly wrote:
No matter how many times you repeat it, it still fails to address the issue of gun violence.


No issue to address.



firefly wrote:
Are you even aware of how much gun violence occurs in this country on a daily basis?


Would it make a difference if they were killed with knives instead?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 04:28 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Why don't you knock off the silly freedom shite oralloy?


We will not give up our freedom, no matter how much you do not like it.



spendius wrote:
You!! Free!! Don't be so bloody silly. It's just a word you keep using to insult our intelligence and to anybody with the slightest amount of it to make yourself look stupid. The 2nd was for that world.


Nope. Freedom is not a fleeting concept that applied only to our ancestors, and which we in the present are unable to enjoy.

If you are happy with having given up your freedom, then enjoy your serfdom. You have exactly what you want.

But America will be keeping our freedom until the end of time. And if we have to nuke the entire planet in defense of that freedom, we'll do it. Without hesitating.

You may as well just accept the fact that American freedom is here to stay.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 04:29 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Nonsense. Gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.


Only in your loony self-encapsulated little world, oralloy.


Nope. Gun availability has little impact on homicide rates in reality.



firefly wrote:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TTiuvizYoDI/AAAAAAAA_yk/lhVt50LTCns/s1600/GunOwnership.jpg


Nice attempt at a diversion, but that says nothing about homicide rates.



firefly wrote:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.png


Another nice attempt at a diversion, but that says nothing about gun availability.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 04:30 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I'm all for 2nd Amendment rights, and I understand how people with a particular expertise in a specific area may want to display it from time to time, but these discussions on guns seem to always attract people who are intent upon demonstrating their comprehensive and detailed knowledge of guns and ammo.

I don't think they are nuts, but they obviously think these displays help define their images.


I doubt anyone thinks that. The conversation just drifts, and people answer whatever comes up.



Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Unfortunately, they appear like nuts and so I wish they would save the **** for their gun clubs, and sniper forums.


The only people here who appear like nuts are the ones who keep talking about gun deaths as if it made a difference whether a murder victim were killed with a knife or a gun.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 05:01 pm
@mysteryman,
There are a very large number of people who have died fighting for freedom who did not agree with oralloy about gun laws. And he calls them freedom haters and it wouldn't surprise me to find out that he is a ******* ladies' hairdresser.

Gratuitously denigrating their tombs, and their bereaved families, by calling them freedom haters is treason in my book, subversive shite and aiding and abetting every enemy we have and only a flat out wanker would think otherwise.

Do you engage in social intercourse with a concealed weapon up your sleeve? When you shake hands in such circumstances you are a liar.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 05:08 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
If you are happy with having given up your freedom, then enjoy your serfdom. You have exactly what you want.


And having what we want is freedom.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 05:10 pm
@spendius,
Concealed carry is the lowest form of sneaky.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 05:54 pm
@oralloy,
You doubt anyone thinks you in particular are nuts?

Can you read?

This is not to say that you are nuts, although your inability to appreciate the **** being rained down on you makes me wonder.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 05:59 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Before this get's out of hand, let me say that I don't think that oralloy or BillRM are "nuts," or for that matter anyone else who argues passionately in favor of Americans' right to bear arms.

I also don't think BillRM or anyone else who seems obsessed with size of shells and length of barrels is necessarily nuts.

People have hobbies and interests and sometimes they are unable to appreciate when their specific focused devotions intrude upon general conversation. This is not an indication of insanity.

It may be an indication of boorishness, but then how many of us are immune from that vice?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:06 pm
The shootings didn't really happen?
http://www.avclub.com/articles/dave-mustaine-thinks-obama-staged-the-shootings-in,83895/
by Marah Eakin August 15, 2012


After sort-of endorsing Rick Santorum and aligning himself with the "birther" viewpoint earlier this year, notoriously conservative Dave Mustaine is speaking out against President Obama again. This time, the Megadeth frontman and Rock ‘N’ Jock softball player has accused Obama of “staging” the shootings in Aurora, Colorado and at the Sikh Temple in Wisconsin, all so that he could “pass a gun ban.”

In the speech, which he made last week between songs at a Megadeth show in Singapore, Mustaine says that Obama is trying to turn the U.S. into “Nazi America,” and that if things keep going the way they’ve been going, he’s going to be forced to move away. After a heckler shouts out in opposition, Mustaine chastises him, saying, “Did you guys pay to listen to him or me?” Luckily for Mustaine, being a total idiot shitbag is not one of the offenses punishable by caning in Singapore.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:10 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
There are a very large number of people who have died fighting for freedom who did not agree with oralloy about gun laws.


That is a contradiction. And who says they disagreed with me on gun laws?



spendius wrote:
it wouldn't surprise me to find out that he is a ******* ladies' hairdresser.


If there is one career that I've never even considered, that'd be it.

That said, you say that like there is something wrong with it. If someone were to choose that as a career, I don't see what the problem would be. I'm sure it beats being homeless.



spendius wrote:
Do you engage in social intercourse with a concealed weapon up your sleeve? When you shake hands in such circumstances you are a liar.


Concealed weapons are best carried in holsters.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:12 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
oralloy wrote:
If you are happy with having given up your freedom, then enjoy your serfdom. You have exactly what you want.


And having what we want is freedom.


No. Free people have the right to carry guns when they go out in public.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:14 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Concealed carry is the lowest form of sneaky.


Is sneaky bad?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:35 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Please name one repeat one mass murder attempted by firearms that killed more then the 39 people...

You are so into body counts you can't even think straight. Gun violence is the most frequent source of multiple killings and woundings in the U.S..

We have people being killed by gun violence on a daily basis in this country.

Firearms are weapons of destruction, designed specifically to kill.
http://www.trbimg.com/img-502d44c7/turbine/la-ol-aurora-theater-guns-20120816-001/600
The purpose of a weapon like this one is to kill--as many people as possible, as rapidly as possible. Arguing that this weapon should be easily available defies common sense.

I don't care how many other ways of destroying human lives you can conjure up, the fact is that significantly more homicides in this country are committed by guns than by the use of any other weapons. And where there are more guns, there are more homicides.
Quote:
Harvard Injury Control Research Center

Homicide

1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.


2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.


3. Across states, more guns = more homicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002: 92:1988-1993.


4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html


oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
You doubt anyone thinks you in particular are nuts?


No. I doubt that anyone who displays knowledge of guns, does so in the belief that it helps define their image.

I think the conversation just drifts a bit towards gun tech now and then, and people who know gun tech merely chime in with their two cents.



Finn dAbuzz wrote:
This is not to say that you are nuts, although your inability to appreciate the **** being rained down on you makes me wonder.


It is unlikely that many of the people who wish to claim I am nuts can show a single point I'm wrong about.

And probably about half the people who wish to claim I'm nuts, are actually too stupid to be able show a thing I am wrong about, even if I made an error right in front of their nose.

Not that I'm infallible. Parados managed to point out a bit of irrelevant trivia that I was slightly wrong about last week.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:43 pm
@oralloy,
Your cluelessnes makes me wonder...
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:47 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
Megadeth


Ah, the music of my youth.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:48 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
People have hobbies and interests and sometimes they are unable to appreciate when their specific focused devotions intrude upon general conversation. This is not an indication of insanity.

It may be an indication of boorishness...

In a thread about a massacre, that left 12 dead and 58 wounded, the loving discussion and promotion of various firearms, and the cavalier disregard and indifference to lives lost to gun violence, really goes beyond mere "boorishness"--although I certainly wouldn't argue that oralloy and BillRM aren't both boors, because they are.

But, if insanity is determined by loss of contact with reality, the shoe might fit these two. They engage in so much denial, and so much rationalization, that reality barely seeps through.

Support of the Second Ammendment does not mean one should abandon all reason, or logic, or ability to evaluate the societal problem of gun violence.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:48 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Your cluelessnes makes me wonder...


What cluelessness? Can you point out a single fact that I am wrong about?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2012 06:52 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
What cluelessness? Can you point out a single fact that I am wrong about?

Talk about being clueless. Laughing Laughing Laughing
 

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