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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

I know you freedom haters are frustrated that you can't abolish freedom in America, but bigoted name-calling isn't going to help.

Just because someone thinks you shouldn't be allowed out of a secure mental instition, doesn't make them a 'freedom hater' per se, just a concerned citizen.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

* * * Knives, air rifles, and pistols as well as ordinary rifles
and shotguns are legally available in the UK,
although some require a licence and others are age restricted.

I wish the English well (and the Scotch).
CONGRATULATIONS on your freedom of self defense,
so far as u have indicated that it exists.

izzythepush wrote:

Only someone suffering from some form of dementia
could believe that any force capable of defeating the US military machine
would be put off by a bunch of NRA sadsacks.

Fleet Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was the Commander-in-Chief
of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II (until we killed him).
He was a graduate of Harvard University n of the U.S. Naval War College.
He probably was not demented. Indeed, he was prescient
in announcing that he coud militarily prevail for 6 months or a year,
after which he had no anticipation of success. The Battle of Midway
ended 6 months to the day after Pearl Harbor Day.

Admiral Yamamoto was also said to have warned that America coud not be invaded
because of how well armed were its individual citizens, with guns everywhere.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Your statement isn't logical. Yamamoto had already conceded he couldn't defeat the American military machine, therefore an invasion of America was out of the question.

I would suggest that America's size has far more to do with making it hard to invade than civilian held weapons.

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@izzythepush,

Not to mention geographical isolation.

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@DrewDad,

Exactly, I think guns held by civilians falls very low on the list of reasons not to invade.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Your statement isn't logical. Yamamoto had already conceded he couldn't defeat the American military machine, therefore an invasion of America was out of the question.

U disappoint me.
For purposes of the analysis of his assertion's logical integrity,
his concession of inability to defeat the American military establishment
is independent, distinct, additional, further, separate, extra and irrelevant to his declaration
that the ubiquitous personal armament of the citizens of America
rendered the nation invincible to an infantry invasion;
i.e., the invasion force 'd be overwhelmed, outnumbered by the well armed populace.

izzythepush wrote:

I would suggest that America's size
has far more to do with making it hard to invade than civilian held weapons.

Thank u, Izzy; will u explain that to the Chinese????
How long did it take the Japs to reach & rape Nanking, the Capital of China, in 1937??

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

David Izzy had been raised in a culture that seems to be now rule by little old ladies so the idea of possible violence actions against a government is lacking.

Hell the last time as far as I know his nation had a good old fashion civil war going on was in Cromwell days.

In any case, first you would not need to win large scale set battles with the military to bring down the government.

Nor would any large scale uprising be fighting with handguns and rifles alone.

Two miles from my home is a nice national guard armory for example with tanks and light field artillery that is would not take too large a force to seize.

Those 300 millions plus firearms in US citizens hands would make possible an uprising to get started and to keep the government from even dreaming that they could get away with sending millions to death camps as happen in Germany for example without running out of SS type troops within days.

When there are more then one firearm for every adult citizen in the nation trying to rule by force is a losing idea.

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@izzythepush,

Quote:

I would suggest that America's size has far more to do with making it hard to invade than civilian held weapons.

The original invaders had enough problems with the Indians despite having European weaponry. The present day Aborigines have fearsome ****.

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@BillRM,

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When there are more then one firearm for every adult citizen in the nation trying to rule by force is a losing idea.

Yes--but going by how many guns some of you have that does not mean that every adult citizen is armed. The gov't would take you city by city like sitting ducks. Turn off your juice and communications and patrol road and rail with fighters and drones or just blow holes in them.

White flags would be waving as soon as you got thirsty. Drink your guns. John Wayne has a lot to answer for.

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@spendius,

First staving out cities by shutting off foods and supplies and therefore making them surrender did not work out well for the German army in WW2!!!!

Next the military would need the national Infrastructure intact far far more then a citizen army would.

Then where would be no front lines so if the military used overriding force to take New York then they are far more likely to loss the manufacturing center of Detroit or the transportation center of Chicago for example.

This is worst case in assuming that all elements of the military would remain loyal to the government.

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@BillRM,

You really are ridiculous, 'little old ladies' indeed. Well I supposed that's better than far right shock jocks.

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@BillRM,

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This is worst case in assuming that all elements of the military would remain loyal to the government.

Give over Bill!! Every citizen with something to lose would join the military. OWS is pathetic compared to what the French do now and again. Pepper sprays--I ask you. Talk about a damp squib.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
Your statement isn't logical. Yamamoto had already conceded he couldn't defeat the American military machine,
therefore an invasion of America was out of the question.
U disappoint me.
For purposes of the analysis of his assertion's logical integrity,
his concession of inability to defeat the American military establishment
is independent, distinct, additional, further, separate, extra and irrelevant to his declaration
that the ubiquitous personal armament of the citizens of America
rendered the nation invincible to an infantry invasion;
i.e., the invasion force 'd be overwhelmed, outnumbered by the well armed populace.

izzythepush wrote:
I would suggest that America's size
has far more to do with making it hard to invade than civilian held weapons.
Thank u, Izzy; will u explain that to the Chinese????
How long did it take the Japs to reach & rape Nanking, the Capital of China, in 1937??

David

I guess Izzy is not moven
to respond to my post! O, well.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Well it was a bit stupid Dave. izzy probable just shook his head slowly from side to side sighing "what's the use?"

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@spendius,

I have had a great deal of fun, over many decades, arguing in pubs with people whose thought patterns were characterised by rigidity.

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@oralloy,

Quote:

If the extension is attached to the gun, it counts as part of the total length of the gun.

Aren't you the little niggler?

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@oralloy,

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Your phrase "facts so wrong" is silly. I know that you're desperate to finally prove me wrong, after so many years of never being able to, but that is at most a trivial error on my part

I must say. I love your argument that your being off by 50% is trivial. Do you use the same argument when target shooting? If you get half way to the target is that only trivial?

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@spendius,

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Every citizen with something to lose would join the military

You mean like the colonies who supported the King and joined the King military forces during the US revolution war and then afterward ended up in Canada?

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@spendius,

You'll have to render your "vinegar" comment in terminology a Yank can comprehend, if it has any chance of producing the effect you intend.

As it is, it comes across as school girl code.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

It is school girl code.

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