Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

@snood,

snood wrote:

spendius wrote:
Why are you so coy about getting pleasure from handling and talking about guns?

I really think you've hit on something very substantive there, spendius.

Nah. Nothing substantive about bigotry. The only thing it really does is show what a small person the bigot is.

snood wrote:

The group of people who collect and study and obsess over weaponry are loathe to talk about what their feelings about their guns really are.

No, people just don't like it when bigots spew hateful lies about them.

snood wrote:

They are (sorry, but its just true)mostly white men with inordinate fear of people who take comfort in the potential destructiveness of their firepower and the amounts of it they can gather to themselves. Their guns make them feel powerful and in control in ways that they can't really get anywhere else.

No, bigot. There is nothing true about your bigotry.

snood wrote:

That's why they kneejerk to hysterical and outlandish defensive words and behaviors at the very thought of any regulation of ownership - they feel mortally threatened.

Nonsense. All the hysteria comes from you freedom haters when you get told you won't be allowed to violate people's civil rights.

But yes, if you freedom haters ever got any actual power, that would be cause for a bit of concern. You see, Americans like being free. And we won't give our freedom up no matter how much you don't like it.

snood wrote:

Does anyone need any more proof of the irrationality of the gun nuts than oralloy's accusations of "bigotry"?

Nothing irrational about denouncing bigotry. Bigots should always be denounced when they start spewing hate speech.

snood wrote:

And so the rest of us just have to grin and bear their rabid defense of anyone and anything that has to do with firearms, and their childlike intransigence in any discussion that follows another atrocity involving guns.

"Childlike intransigence" that's funny.

The answer is no. You will never be allowed to violate our civil rights.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Oralboy's

You engage in name-calling because you are too stupid to say anything intelligent.

izzythepush wrote:

assertion that automatic weapons could be used to control riots shows that his sympathies lie with the shooter, not the victims/"rioters" sitting calmly in the cinema.

Not quite sure what assertion you are talking about.

National Guard putting down a riot??

Shop-owners fending rioters off from their place of business???

In either of those cases, my sympathies would indeed lie with the National Guard and/or shop owners, and not with the rioters.

Your description of rioters as "sitting calmly in a cinema" is silly.

If the rioters were sitting calmly in a cinema, it wouldn't be a riot.

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@snood,

LOL white men fearing others are the selection as far as people interested in guns?

Sorry but an interest in weapons of all types seems build into humans from our evolutionary history.

Those tribes and groups who manufactured the best weapons and had the most skill in using them for hunting and warfare was the ones who survive and those who did not was taken over or wipe out by those who did.

Of course for the last thousand years or so Western culture had have the best weapons makers and the most skillful warriors as otherwise we would not at the moment be on top of the food chain as compare to other groups.

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Side note one of my grandsons just got into trouble at a day care when he pointed a finger at someone and said bang you are dead.

The school have a zero tolerance policy when it come to such actions!

Kind of similar to punishing kittens for play killings each other or their cat toys as humans have a predatory drive build into them just as must as any other predator on earth if not more so.

Boys will play war if they need to manufacture their own toy weapons to do so or use their fingers for that matter just as one of my cats will cheerfully use my bare foot as a stand in for a prey animal when I am walking around bare footed in the morning.

Footnote his mother is an anti gun/war toy person and he is not allow to have any 'evil' toy weapons so his finger was press into service to stand in for a gun.

Now if we can only get that evilness out of our male children the world would be far better at least until the Chinese or some other culture troops arrive to take over.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry but an interest in weapons of all types seems build into humans from our evolutionary history.

But the whole point of civilisation is to set aside our evolutionary history. What aspect of your waking being bears any resemblance to our evolutionary history.

Your poached eggs on toast require a system of regulation so that you can have them without seriously impeding your capacity to buy TV sets, guns, washing machines and ornaments etc etc. whilst almost guaranteeing not getting a dose of the squitteroonies.

You are not free to disobey the regulations without punishment and there are so many regulations that any talk of freedom is custard pies on Mars. You're free to obey the regulations.

Western culture, Christian culture, has indeed made the best weapons. Guided ICBMs. 20 megaton warheads, deadly germ and poison distribution systems, satellites watching our moves. Thanks to monastic mathematics.

Why no rebuttal of how impolite it is to carry concealed?

I think people who obsess about freedom are the ones who feel the loss of it most acutely. They probably sing Chestnuts Roasting By An Open Fire with tears in their eyes. If I was dreaming of a white Christmas I would consider it a nightmare.

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@spendius,

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But the whole point of civilisation is to set aside our evolutionary history

Nonsense as there been many many times since we had large scale civilizations where the fate of nations had depend on the outcomes on battlefields.

Nor did the civilization of Germany in the very heart of Europe protected it Jewish citizens from being place into ovens in the lifetimes of people who are still alive today.

Now the only way any nation who is not going to study war no more can survive even to this day is if it happen to be under the protections of a people and a nation who is studying war.

Good old England and the rest of Europe would now had been speaking Russian if the US had not provide that megatons nuclear shield during the cold war for example.

Now if the English people wish to depend on the good will of it rulers to keep it free that is fine with me however that is not the kind of trust the US citizens had in it rulers.

We kind of like the idea that there are a hundred times more arm citizens then there are arm agents of the government just in case.

The founding document that declare our independence from your nation also declare that the people reserve the right to change our government we are unhappy with by force if there is no other way to do so.

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@BillRM,

I said that the whole point of civilisation is to set aside our evolutionary history. I didn't say, or even suggest, that the point had yet been made. Now I know you can't read.

If people have descending into barbarism it does not mean we should accept barbarism. It means we need to work towards getting rid of it. If you're saying it is ineradicable you are a pessimist.

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Good old England and the rest of Europe would now had been speaking Russian if the US had not provide that megatons nuclear shield during the cold war for example.

We have our own nuclear weapons and I assume some other stuff. The US provided a good contribution but it did it for its own good.

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We kind of like the idea that there are a hundred times more arm citizens then there are arm agents of the government just in case.
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Good luck with that. It's easy to say sat in a rocking chair listening to Johnny Cash records.

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The founding document that declare our independence from your nation also declare that the people reserve the right to change our government we are unhappy with by force if there is no other way to do so.

So does every other people. A good few have actually done it. Sitting there declaring it is not quite as ballsy as doing it even if it feels like it is. Sir Robert Walpole's salutary neglect of the colonies might have played a part.

Policing the colonies was too big a task. So you got yourself a good old Constitution to police yourselves. And the famed "1%" are running the show and you are policed and regulated all to **** and revelling in it. A population of about 3oo million with less than 500 grand each can't even up the taxes on the fat cats by tuppence. A couple of hundred gas tanker drivers brought our government to heel not so long ago. Guns are for tin-pot nitwits who think the world is like their domestic setting.

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@spendius,

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We have our own nuclear weapons and I assume some other stuff. The US provided a good contribution but it did it for its own good.

Your and France total nuclear weapons would not had even slow up the USSR and you got that capability in the first place by our sharing of the information during the Manhattan project or at least you did until we got tired of security laps concerning your scientists that make the leaks due Julius and Ethel Rosenberg look minor and we cut you off in 1946 or so as a result.

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@spendius,

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It means we need to work towards getting rid of it. If you're saying it is ineradicable you are a pessimist.

I am saying that human beings hard wiring is not going to change due to wishful thinkings of any kind and if it was change by some other means it would just result in those who wiring had been change being wiped out in very short order by those with the old wiring.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

But the whole point of civilisation is to set aside our evolutionary history. What aspect of your waking being bears any resemblance to our evolutionary history.

Really?

Seems a fairly facile rationalization for civilization and one based on a notion that we are only cultivated crops away from being snarling brutes.

Every day we all take advantage of the evolutionary history that resulted in our big brains, and those brains were just as big before civilization.

Since there hasn't been a "civilization" yet that hasn't embraced violence in one way or another, we've never achieved a civilized state?

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I'm afraid I don't understand that argument Finn. I don't see what the physical size of a brain has to do with the matter.

With the WMDs in the world we had better get civilised pretty soon. If the meek don't inherit the earth it won't be fit to live on.

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@spendius,

Lol the meek away inherit the earth or at least enough earth for their bones to rot in.

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@spendius,

Well spendius, I'm not inclined to school you on the importance of the cerebral cortex; especially when you feign ignorance.

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@BillRM,

I'm inclined to think Bill that you poor buggers are not even free to be taught history properly and you are sounding like those silly sods here who are puffing their chests out nearly as far as their fat beer bellies because Team GB has won a few gold medals which I suspect have chocolate inside once the paper is got off. There is certainly no gold inside.

Are you not aware that Clint Eastwood was taking the piss out of you lot? Maybe you are not even free to be educated at all. You're just provided with lines to learn.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Well spendius, I'm not inclined to school you on the importance of the cerebral cortex

Thank you for the indulgence Finn. It's very sporting of you. What's your CC up to on the vinegar stroke?

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@spendius,

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not even free to be taught history properly

Yes indeed history such as your intelligent services doing a wonderful and even amazing job again German spies and their networks during WW2 and yet leaking like a sieve when it came to Uncle Joe right after the war.

How anyone could had miss the security threat of Nunn May is beyond me for example.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I'm inclined to think Bill that you poor buggers are not even free to be taught history properly and you are sounding like those silly sods here who are puffing their chests out nearly as far as their fat beer bellies because Team GB has won a few gold medals which I suspect have chocolate inside once the paper is got off. There is certainly no gold inside.

Are you not aware that Clint Eastwood was taking the piss out of you lot? Maybe you are not even free to be educated at all. You're just provided with lines to learn.

You nailed it.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Are you not aware that Clint Eastwood was taking the piss out of you lot?

That makes no sense.
He is no surgeon, nor has he any desire for urine.
WHERE do u get these ideas ????

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

spendius wrote:
Are you not aware that Clint Eastwood was taking the piss out of you lot?

That makes no sense.
He is no surgeon, nor has he any desire for urine.
WHERE do u get these ideas ????

I believe it is a British idiom.

I didn't bother to figure it out because I am not very familiar with Clint Eastwood.

I know he is an actor, but with the notable of Star Wars/Star Trek/Lord of the Rings/Hobbit type movies, I generally don't do movies.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Good old England and the rest of Europe would now had been speaking Russian if the US had not provide that megatons nuclear shield during the cold war for example.

Leaving aside the fact that they don't speak Russian in Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria etc. etc. the nuclear shield was not about protecting Europe, quite the opposite in fact.

It was there to ensure that, were there to be a conflict between the USA and the USSR, the battleground would be Europe, not the east coast of Russia or the west coast of America. The Cuban missile crisis showed America's willingness to see Europe go up in flames if it stopped American cities being threatened.

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