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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 02:26 pm
@BillRM,
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They currently have a Queen and unless they skip a generation in some manner their next King will be a Queen also...


If that was their worst problem in life I''d have a harder time feeling sorry for them. What they actually have is people doing hard time for defending themselves against armed intruders in their own homes and efforts underway to outlaw knives and force them to eat kibbled food, presumably out of bowls on the floor alongside Fluff's bowl and Spot's bowl i.e. the poor sorry fuckers are in the process of being reduced to states of existence similar to those of dogs and cats.

Amongst the **** you read about which could not conceivably happen in the U.S., there is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

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In 1999, Martin, a bachelor, was living alone at his farmhouse in Emneth Hungate, Norfolk, nicknamed Bleak House, which he inherited at age 35 from his uncle.[3] He claimed to have been burgled a total of ten times, losing £6,000 worth of furniture. Martin also complained about police inaction over the burglaries. The police reports state that multiple items and furniture were stolen such as dinnerware and a grandfather clock.[4]

On the night of 20 August 1999, two burglars – Brendon Fearon, 29, and Fred Barras 16 – broke into Martin's house.[5] Shooting downwards in the dark, with a pump-action Winchester shotgun loaded with birdshot, Martin evidentially shot three times towards the intruders (once when they were in the stairwell and twice more when they were trying to flee through the window of an adjacent ground floor room). Barras was hit - fatally - in the back and both sustained gunshot injuries to their lower limbs. Both escaped through the window but Barras died at the scene.[2]

On 10 January 2000, Fearon and Darren Bark, 33 (who had acted as the getaway driver), both from Newark-on-Trent, Nottinghamshire, admitted to conspiring to burgle Martin's farmhouse. Fearon was sentenced to three years in prison, and Bark to 30 months[5] (with an additional 12 months arising from previous offences). Fearon was released on 10 August 2001.[5] Fred Barras, the dead youth, had accumulated a lengthy criminal record, having been arrested 29 times by the time of his death at the age of 16, and had been sentenced to two months in a young offenders' institution for assaulting a policeman, theft and being drunk and disorderly. On the night he was killed, the teenager had just been released on bail after being accused of stealing garden furniture. Barras' grandmother, Mary Dolan, stated: "It's not fair that the farmer has got all the money and he is the one that took Fred away."[6]


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English law permits one person to kill another in self defence only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force"; it is the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not an unreasonable amount of force was used.[7] The jury at the trial were told that they had the option of returning a verdict of manslaughter rather than murder, if they thought that Martin "did not intend to kill or cause serious bodily harm".[8] However, the jurors found Martin guilty of murder by a 10 to 2 majority.[9]


Quote:
During 2003, Fearon applied for, and received, an estimated £5,000 of legal aid to sue Martin for loss of earnings due to the injuries he had sustained.[15] However, the case was thrown into doubt when photographs were published in The Sun, showing him "cycling and climbing with little apparent difficulty" suggesting that Fearon's injuries were not as serious as had been claimed.[16] While the case was pending, Fearon was recalled to jail after being charged with the theft of a vehicle while on probation on a conviction for dealing heroin.[17] Fearon later dropped the case when Martin agreed to drop a counter-claim. Tens of thousands of pounds of public money had been spent on the case.[18]

Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 02:30 pm
@gungasnake,
I think it is all well and good that you can't kill somebody for stealing your furniture.

even is you consider them scum...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 02:38 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
English law permits one person to kill another in self defence only if the person defending him or herself uses no more than "reasonable force"; it is the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not an unreasonable amount of force was used.[7] The jury at the trial were told that they had the option of returning a verdict of manslaughter rather than murder, if they thought that Martin "did not intend to kill or cause serious bodily harm".[8] However, the jurors found Martin guilty of murder by a 10 to 2 majority.[9]
That is similar in many other jurisdictions - no matter of they have Roman Law or Common Law.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 02:41 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
think it is all well and good that you can't kill somebody for stealing your furniture.

even is you consider them scum...


Sorry but someone breaking into my home in the middle of the night I will consider it a serous threat to my life not assuming they are harmless do itself shoppers and will reacted according being in reasonable fear for my life.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 02:50 pm
@BillRM,
In that case, if done here in Germany, your sentence will be mitigated (German criminal code, section 32,section 35 (2), section 49 (1) ).
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:01 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
In that case, if done here in Germany, your sentence will be mitigated (German criminal code, section 32,section 35 (2), section 49 (1) ).


An in the US they will give you a medal so I prefer the US........

Now here how crazy the law is in the UK is that you can find on returning home from vacation that people had taken over you property and the problems getting them removed.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/oct/06/what-to-do-squatters-property

Squatters' rights mean you cannot use force to evict squatters. Photograph: Linda Nylind for the Guardian
Sky-high property prices and soaring rents for those priced out of the housing market have meant that squatting has become a way of life for a growing number of people. The latest government figures put the estimated number of squatters in the UK at 20,000, but the real figure is probably higher.

The government has closed a consultation on the criminalisation of squatting, in which proposals range from creating an offence of "squatting in buildings", thereby rendering the activity illegal, to improving the enforcement available under the existing legal framework. Squatting is already a criminal offence in Scotland, punishable by a fine or even imprisonment.


Squatting is an emotive subject, with many arguing that squatters are often homeless people legally taking up residence in empty properties that have otherwise been abandoned. But critics argue that no one has a right to simply move into a property that is not theirs, and that often homes are forcibly occupied after being left vacant by their owners for a very short time.


Much of the controversy around squatting stems from the fact that property owners often have no idea whether dealing with unwanted occupiers is a civil or criminal matter, so have no idea what to do when faced with squatters. We spoke to Nick Martyn, a property litigation solicitor at Mundays Solicitors with experience in dealing with cases involving squatters, to find out the rights of property owners.


How can I keep squatters out?
As you would imagine, security is key. Squatters can't force their way into your property – they could then be arrested for causing criminal damage – but there are often practical difficuties in establishing exactly how they entered, and it can be difficult to prove a lock was not already broken if they argue otherwise. The Directgov website includes a number of tips on protecting your home from burglars. Many of these may also be useful in protecting your home from squatters.


If you are going to be away from a property for a number of weeks you should inform your neighbours so they can act as watchdogs. Owners of empty commercial property should consider hiring security guards.


Another option is to sign your property over to one of the several UK property guardian schemes which look after empty houses and commercial premises on behalf of owners. The firms recruit individuals who want a flexible lifestyle unsuited to conventional homeownership or renting to live in the properties, paying a nominal rent.


What should I do if I discover squatters in my property?
One of the first steps you should take, if possible, is to make contact with the squatters. In some cases you can get information that will determine the best route to get them out. Try to glean what their intentions are: are they willing to come to an agreement or do they intend to follow a more aggressive course? Some might be relatively amicable and agree to leave once a court order is granted (see below).

To some extent, what you decide to do will depend on how quickly you want your property back and whether you have any valuables within it. In most cases, the co-operation of the police is particularly important at an early stage, even if they can't force the squatters out: it means they will be aware of any damage being done and are ready to help in case the situation turns nasty.


What rights do I have if they won't leave? Can I force them out?
It depends whether your property is occupied or not. If it is a property that is occupied, or soon to be occupied, then the criminal law will apply and the squatters can be guilty of an offence under Section 7 of the Criminal Law Act if they fail to leave your premises after being asked to do so. In this situation, the police can be involved and if necessary can arrest the squatters. You will have to be able to prove to the police that you are a "displaced residential occupier" or "protected intending occupier" of the property.


If you are in this position, your rights also supersede what are commonly known as "squatters' rights". Usually you cannot use force to evict squatters, but if you already live in the property, or are about to (for example, you've bought the house and are about to move in) you are allowed to break your own door down if necessary.


For other "non-occupied" properties or commercial premises, squatters' rights apply so you can't use force to evict them. In such situations it is a civil matter and you will need to obtain a court order to remove the squatters.


How long will it take to get my property back?
It can take longer to regain possession of an occupied residential property than commercial permises, but neither will involve overnight success. It can take days for a court to issue a possession order and, if this is ignored by the squatters, the court can send a county court officer or bailiff to regain possession of the property. This can take weeks.


Is there a faster route to getting my property back?
You can instead opt for an "interim possession order". If the correct procedure is followed, such an order can usually be obtained from the courts within a few days and squatters must leave the property within 24 hours of service of the order. Crucially, unlike a normal court order an interim possession order means that if squatters do not leave within 24 hours they are committing a criminal offence and may be arrested.


As a very rough estimate, from start to finish obtaining an interim possession order would normally cost a few thousand pounds, whereas the standard procedure is generally cheaper.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:03 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
There were no fallout shelters here and nor were our kids trained to dive under their desks at school.


Great way to multiply your casualties.



spendius wrote:
What's the use of buying firearms if they are not always within easy reach.


Who says they are not within easy reach?

That's what holsters are for.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:04 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Oralloy wrote:
You are now mere serfs.


You really do hate your powerlessness don't you?


It's not *my* powerlessness. I'm not the serf here.



spendius wrote:
You have PACs which are for oligarchs to control you with.


Some PACs are controlled by their grassroots activists.



spendius wrote:
Oralloy wrote:
Nonsense.


Oh yeah. Explain the USSC vote the other week.


What's to explain?

I presume you are upset somehow about the healthcare law being partially upheld. If you are talking about some other ruling, you'll have to specify.

In a nutshell, the individual mandate was found to be a tax, which is something that the federal government has the jurisdiction to carry out. And the Medicaid requirement was found to be something that could not be imposed on states.



spendius wrote:
Oralloy wrote:
People who want to erase America's civil rights are often horrified by the realization that America's liberty is eternal.


It's a fond delusion.


No delusion. You will never be able to take my freedom away from me. The only thing you will ever be able to do to me is rant and spew childish insults.



spendius wrote:
Anyway--what tyranny.


The tyranny of masses of people like you rampantly repealing the civil rights of your countrymen.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:05 pm
@Ticomaya,
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You must have me confused with an Obama supporter.


Not in the slightest.

Our Head of State, HMQ, (Brenda to the court) represents the nation.

I did not say there was a defect in your government. I think there's a defect in both our systems. It is that with modern media the urban voice is in the process of drowning out the rural voice: the flyover states.

But other than that it's horses for courses. If those three positions I mentioned are in the hands of one person it is obvious that the executive office will expand until the White House is a mere annex or even a ceremonial building. A bureaucracy has no other motive than expansion.

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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:08 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
prevent an existent UN from voting on a treaty that doesn't exist.


The treaty does exist, as a proposal.

As I said, the UN grows tiresome.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:08 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Quote:
UN vote next week on a global small arms treaty


The UN grows tiresome.


The problem is idiots like you that claim the UN is doing something it isn't.


I take it from your namecalling that you realize from the start that you have no facts with-which to defend your position.

And no. Every claim I have ever made about the UN, has reflected exactly what they were actually trying to do.




parados wrote:
Please provide info that shows the UN vote will take guns away from Americans. You can't. So that claim is idiotic.


What claim? Regarding their current proposal, I have not taken the time to read it, and so have made no claims about it.

Regarding their past proposals, I have already shown it, to you, in multiple threads (and even multiple times in some of the threads).


It is true that the Constitution trumps any treaty. So technically the proposed treaty would have no power to violate our rights. But part of the goals of the freedom-hater movement is to get a Supreme Court that will look the other way and not enforce the Constitution as our rights are stripped away.


The supposed claim you referred to, were I to ever make that claim, would not necessarily be idiotic. Based on their past history, it is entirely possible that this treaty proposal will be just as vile as their past attempts have been.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:08 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
In a nutshell, the individual mandate was found to be a tax


Sorry not true one repeat one SC judge rule that way the others who upheld the law did so under the commerce clause.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:10 pm
@oralloy,
No, it doesn't exist as mentioned. There is no treaty to take guns away from American citizens.

Perhaps they should introduce a treaty to prevent stupidity. That would certainly affect you.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:14 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
The tyranny of masses of people like you rampantly repealing the civil rights of your countrymen.


That is an attack on democracy.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:18 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:



What claim? Regarding their current proposal, I have not taken the time to read it, and so have made no claims about it.


Perhaps you forgot what you JUST posted in the post previous to this...
Quote:
The treaty does exist, as a proposal.


That looks like a claim to me oralloy.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:18 pm
@spendius,
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That is an attack on democracy.


Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
by: Benjamin Franklin

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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:20 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
No, it doesn't exist as mentioned.


That remains to be seen.



parados wrote:
There is no treaty to take guns away from American citizens.


Well, currently it is a proposed treaty.

And based on their past attempts, it is reasonable to be suspicious of this one.

Whether this one mirrors their past attempts will have to be judged my looking over the text of their proposal.



parados wrote:
Perhaps they should introduce a treaty to prevent stupidity. That would certainly affect you.


I know it is frustrating for you to oppose civil rights in a nation that refuses to give them up, but I remind you that my IQ is double yours.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:21 pm
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The UN grows tiresome.


There's still a UN?


The Security Council is still worthwhile, as are some of the humanitarian aid branches.

The General Assembly and associated committees though, really need to be driven into the sea and left to drown.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:21 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
In a nutshell, the individual mandate was found to be a tax, which is something that the federal government has the jurisdiction to carry out. And the Medicaid requirement was found to be something that could not be imposed on states.


That's in the PR handouts. I'm asking why 4 conservative justices were sunk by another conservative justice.

Every piece of legislation might to said to be repealing somebody's civil rights.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2012 03:22 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:


Well, currently it is a proposed treaty.

And based on their past attempts, it is reasonable to be suspicious of this one.

Whether this one mirrors their past attempts will have to be judged my looking over the text of their proposal.

Is this the proposal that doesn't exist and you have never claimed existed?

Or is this the proposal that you claim exists but you can't produce evidence of it existing other than completely misrepresenting a different proposal?
 

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