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The British Crown is a useless anachronism.

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 04:18 pm
@ehBeth,
It's just that a lot of the Royal family's income comes from Royal Estates, those estates would still exist whether or not there was a Royal Family. I've not seen anything that specifically looks just at the income generated solely from having a queen.

Tourism is often touted, but how many tourists would only decide to visit Buckingham Palace if there was a queen in residence is something we don't really know.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 04:19 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
that they bring in money, but they aren't really necessary, they are just nice to have. That seems weak to me.


the tourism $ is necessary

~~~~~~~~

you seem a bit over-heated on the subject

ignore your friends when they talk about the royals (do New Yorkers really talk about them more than Canadians do?)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 04:20 pm
@ehBeth,
None of my friends talk about them.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 04:21 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Tourism is often touted, but how many tourists would only decide to visit Buckingham Palace if there was a queen in residence is something we don't really know.



there's some pretty decent research on it
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 04:23 pm
@izzythepush,
That's what I was thinking. I don't think they've come up in conversation here in years other than when ... people were planning trips to England and Scotland and deciding what castles to visit. No one actually talks about the family itself.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 04:28 pm
@ehBeth,
Nobody I know ever talks about the royals unless there's something specific in the news that day to discuss, e.g. a royal wedding or funeral or some especially juicy tidbit of gossip that actually made the US newspapers. I don't know who Joe Nation hangs out with but my friends and acquaintances certainly could not care less about the Royasl or what they do or don't do.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 05:01 pm
@ehBeth,
I don't doubt there is some pretty good research, it's just that I remain to be convinced either way. That probably says more about me, what Joe doesn't seem to understand is the sheer indifference most people feel towards the Royal Family.
Rorschach
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 05:05 pm
@Joe Nation,
The less there is to justify a traditional custom, the harder it is to get rid of it
― Mark Twain
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 05:50 pm
@izzythepush,
...without the Royal family England would loose trillions...what would be of British exports aimed at cheesy middle classes in the entire world when instead of Royals you would be selling hooligans and punks, a minority market...counting direct income from visits to palaces is a laugh of an argument I am sorry to say...do you have any idea Izzy how pomp and circumstance still sell England even today ? my generation was brought up in it...you need 30, 40 years more to make a point on income not being that good...
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 05:54 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
...Royals today have to compete with socialites and other variations such is the success of the recipe...never as today little kings and queens of all kinds sold so well...I wonder what is your friends type, Cambridge and Oxford crème de la crème or something in between ...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 06:14 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
...in fact I don't see much difference in the kind of reasoning that believes thinks and argues that royals must go from the kind of reasoning that indulges in the belief that kicking religion out will improve human moral autonomy...they are symptomatic on a certain kind of new fast food intelligentsia we have around and that now seats in power...may God save us all !
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 06:32 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
...in fact I don't see much difference in the kind of reasoning that believes thinks and argues that royals must go from the kind of reasoning that indulges in kicking religion out because they are not necessary...they are symptomatic on a certain kind of new fast food intelligentsia we have around and that now sits in power...may God save us all !
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 06:55 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
what Joe doesn't seem to understand is the sheer indifference most people feel towards the Royal Family.


indifference may be the case in Britain (I'll trust you on that - unless I get a yen to look up the stats Very Happy ) but it is a big reason people go to Britain as tourists - people just love castles, esp. when they're still in use, however occasional

Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 07:15 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
You're a ******* idiot. Here is my first post in this thread;

Setanta wrote:

Quote:
It's their money, if they want to throw down that hole, how is that any business of yours? Do you feel the same way about Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Holland and Spain? How about Nepal and Thailand?

Monarchs are the source of all honors in monarchical societies, and they are an unchaning head of state, heads of state who are, at least ostensibly, above partisan politics. They serve useful purposes in those societies which have them and want them.(emphasis added, of course)



If you too stupid to understand that i've already put my opinion out there, don't blame me.


Jackass.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:06 pm
@ehBeth,
I say again that this is not a matter of great importance to me, I just wanted to hear what people would say.
Okay.
Maybe it's just New York , but I doubt it, during the recent wedding between god knows who and some tall girl and again during the recent celebration of some milepost of the Queen, all the local television stations had coverage which bordered that of obsessive stalkers.
How deep and wide?
How about live broadcasts of the events beginning at 3AM local time?

They do the same thing when the Pope visits any place within a couple of thousand miles.

Then they did stories about the idiots who got up at 3AM and traveled down to their local pub to watch on the big TVs.

Please, a very rich man is going to marry a very rich woman. BFD.

Joe(I am so happy that's over)Nation
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:11 pm
@Joe Nation,
Had you (collectively) all shut off your tv or put on a test pattern or watched re-runs of Hogan's Heroes, you'd have been more entertained and never bothered by it. Now, whose fault is that, I ask 'ya?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:12 pm
Set:
Quote:
They serve useful purposes in those societies which have them and want them.
yes.
I wonder if you might hazard a guess about what those useful purposes might be?

As I said, I can't think of any, I'm asking if, from an anthropological angle perhaps, you, or anyone else, could list any useful benefits the United Kingdom gets from hanging onto its Monarchy.

We know they bring cash into the economy, so do the hookers.

Joe(Postcard sales?)Nation
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:15 pm
@Joe Nation,
you're fucked either way. However, one way you don't get the clap.
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George
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:15 pm
Hats, dammit. HATS!
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jul, 2012 08:21 pm
@Joe Nation,
People go to southeast Asia for hookers, to Eastern Europe to make porn. They go to Britain to check out the royal family and their stuff.

There is also considered, by some, to still be a political benefit in having the royals on board.

Your t.v. stations wouldn't be showing all that royal programming if it didn't get good ratings. People like celebrity of all sorts. Turn off your t.v. and stop hanging with people who talk about the royals.
 

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