Time simply does not exist

@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...a weak magnetic field (for all that I care is a mathematical algorithm) may not be a "wall" function toyou but it can certainly be a function "wall" to a sub particle (yet another mathematical system)...thereyou have a varying effect depending on whom or what is interacting...it all can be reduced to mathematics, I don't see any logical impediment except perhaps in the minds of those shelled in "concreteness"for lack of better judgement...

well there you go , the interaction and the effects thereof , is whats driving the mathematics

therefore its not the mathematics that drive the interactions

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@north,

What ????
Who said the interactions are driving the maths ? you crazy ? I just said the opposite...

...now if you ask why we observe the effects of this interactions as they are and not any other way what you are asking is why reality it is what is to which I just answer its is as it is...what else ?

Why do shapes squares circles triangles, math parabolas exist, or roughness in the other end ? well, because they do !

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

What ???? Who said the interactions are driving the maths ? you crazy ? I just said the opposite... ..

I don't think you know what your saying , first your one way , then claim you mean the opposite ....

whatever

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now if you ask why we observe the effects of this interactions as they are and not any other way what you are asking is why reality it is what is to which I just answer its is as it is...what else ?

start another thread Fil if you want to discuss this further

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@north,

No mate you will have to prove what you just said...I dare you to point me to it, otherwise I will just ignore you.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

No mate you will have to prove what you just said...I dare you to point me to it, otherwise I will just ignore you.

ignor me please

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Mathematics is itself a collection of working events regarding how information can or cannot interact...interactions don't drive maths nor do they make mathematical laws but result from them...mathematical laws happen to be what they are for the same reason gravity or quantum mechanics work the way they work, that is, they are as they are !

...maybe you believe there is a God writing down why there are sums and subtractions and sizes in the world...and who the **** wrote how God works ? You can go ad eternum...things work the way they work because they do its reality in its whole, it does what it does !

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@north,

I will as you are a serious candidate to the dumbest in the forum ! Goodbye !

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continue

what we havn't done is explore the ESSENCE of time

so lets do so

the essence of time is about the movement of an object and/or objects from on place to another , either physically , atomically , or sub-atomic

from a car moving along a road , the cesium clock or the speed of light something is motion

all move in the first place because there is something in their nature which causes the movement in the first place , its not a mystery

the car moves at a certain speed because of the engine and gas , combustion of the gas

the cesium clock is what it is because of the electrons from one position to another in a consistant way

the light speed is because the energy within a thing releases releases energy in the light spectrum , the sun

hence time is NOT the progenitor of movement but rather the mathematical concept , a tool , in which we try to understand the consequence of the nature of the object only

so time ONLY exists as a mathematical concept . for instance if you were to change time in any equation t=? whatever , the only way the change in the equation has any meaning is if the change manifests its self in reality or in what is being studied

time has no real physical meaning , time does not and cannot change the movement , in any way , of what is being studied

therefore time does not exist , physically

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On conventional models, rearrangement of Information exits "Physically" it can be measured !
(whatever Physically addresses, or is or is not, is yet another matter)

On conventional models, movement is the measurement of FACTUAL change on the organized structure of matter along a spatial grid ! (Time exists as long FACTUAL change exits, what else should exist stand for ?)

Yet the relative nature of movement according to different observers seams/may imply such behaviour is not a fundamental property of reality, or perhaps that there is something still poorly understood on its process once actual movement effects are relative to the measurer or the interacting partner and not exclusive to the behaviour of that which is moving !

There are several imaginable different models to explain how movement of information can be simulated/processed through a spatial grid.

One such model, deterministic in nature, can be classified as being timeless, by asserting all possible arrangements of information per unit space potentially exist throughout all space time, and thus that no information is actually "physically" transferred, but rather that a particular algorithmic arrangement is activated from that "field" of apparently juxtaposed potential states (more dimensions ?)...in this example the very notion of space as emptiness is put into question...

Finally to clarify that the above example illustrates a speculative interpretation of what may be the mater of fact and has no other purpose but showing present mainstream models can and should be put into question if for no other purpose the well justified reason of continuously testing their strength...

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I completely agree with North's last post on this matter.
Time is a non-physical conceptual tool that allows measurement of relative physical occurences.

like a 'metre' it is merely a label. Yet as a 'human' metre is an elephant's inch and an ant's mile - TIME varies only in its perception.

Space is also conceptual 'non-existent' and is not in anyway related to time.
Space is a conceptual placename 'location'.

Mark...

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@mark noble,

I like what you say, Mark, but Einstein did treat the two as a kind of unity: space-time

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@mark noble,

Only humans perceive time. Nothing else in nature measures time.

CLUE: There are several calendars used by humans, and one is based on religion.

From Wiki.

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Motivation

Cesare Emiliani's proposal for a calendar reform sought to solve a number of alleged problems with the current Anno Domini era, which number the years of the commonly accepted world calendar. These issues include:
The Anno Domini era is based on an erroneous estimation of the birth year of Jesus Christ. The era places Jesus' birth year in 1 BC, but modern scholars have determined that he was born before 4 BC. Emiliani argues that replacing it with the approximate beginning of the Holocene era makes sense.
Emiliani opined that the birth of Jesus Christ is a less universally relevant epoch event than the approximate beginning of the Holocene era.
The years BC are counted down when moving from past to future, making calculation of timespans difficult.
The Anno Domini era has no year zero, with 1 BC followed immediately by AD 1, complicating the calculation of timespans further.
Instead, HE places its epoch to 10,000 BCE. This is a rough approximation of the start of the current geologic epoch, the Holocene (the name means entirely recent). The motivation for this is that human civilization (e.g., the first settlements, agriculture, etc.) is believed to have arisen entirely within this time. All key dates in human history can then be listed using a simple increasing date scale with smaller dates always occurring before larger dates.
[edit]Conversion
Conversion to the Human Era from Julian or Gregorian CE years can be achieved by adding 10,000. BCE years are converted by subtracting the BCE year from 10,001.
A useful validity check is that the last single digits of BCE and HE equivalent pairs must add up to 1 or 11.
Gregorian years ISO 8601 Human Era
Holocene Epoch
30001 BCE -30000 20000 BHE
10001 BCE -10000 0 HE
10000 BCE -9999 1 HE
2 BCE -0001 9999 HE
1 BCE +0000 10000 HE
CE 1 +0001 10001 HE
CE 2 +0002 10002 HE
CE 2012 +2012 12012 HE
CE 10000 +10000 20000 HE

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@JLNobody,

Thanks JL
I have little respect for Einstein's theories though. He had a tendency to poach from others, rephrase their work and extend what fitted with his design. Nevertheless, he made 'some' good choices and should be accredited for such. Spacetime is not one that sits well with me though. Seeing that one is a term for a non-existent location and the other is a measurement. when we perceive in quantum terms 'Everything' is bonded to everything. But space, time, fish, liver.....etc would be long winded, silly theoretical conjoination.
And 'relativity'? What isn't? Smile

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@cicerone imposter,

Cicero, wtf are you babbling on about?

Every living thing determines their location, breeding, feeding and migratory patterns in accordance to seasonal variations, night and day etc. Just because they don't wear wristwatches...... oh what's the point?
And stop trying to somehow dazzle me with historical quotes and such.....We will NEVER be on the same page.

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@mark noble,

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Time is a non-physical conceptual tool that allows measurement of relative physical occurences.

Ok, but if that is all it is, then this:

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Space is also conceptual 'non-existent' and is not in anyway related to time.

...seems contradictory. How can any tool be 'not in any way related to' that which it is meant to measure?

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@mark noble,

They do not "measure" time. It's biologically set through evolution. They know nothing about "time." Plants that grow during certain seasons do not measure time. It's set by nature. That's the reason why humans can grow certain foodstuffs out of season by fooling those plants. They are not "timed."

Only humans interpret them as "timed."

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@Cyracuz,

Absolutely cyracuz,

If unable to distinguish between 'physical' and 'conceptual'... that is.
More disturbingly... Why employ a concept to measure a concept???
Cracks me up, that one:)

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

time is that thing that keeps all other things from happening at once

For what it is worth:
there is a school of thawt that all events really have been
simultaneous, but that like attenders of a movie,
we see 1 frame of the film at a time, a succession running by very swiftly,
when in actual fact, it is all in the can at the same time
from the perspective of the projectionist.

I am only mentioning this.
It is not my intention to argue in support of the concept.

David

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@mark noble,

It seems to me that something can be conceptual and non-physical, but nothing can be physical and non-conceptual.

I am interested to hear your way of distinguishing between physical and conceptual.

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@Cyracuz,

I agree. Even at the risk that the concept can be wrong.

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