Supporting Israel?

I feel the same way about monks that set themselves on fire.

danieleli54 wrote:

I am pro-israel. I would like to know how it is possible for me to be actively involved in supporting Israel???

Well, you should begin by examining why you are pro-Israel, which hopefully will force you to recognize how retarded that position is given the current state of affairs, thus, riding you of your dilemma. I suspect, however, that like most pro-Israeli people, your support of Israel is based on emotion rather than rationality.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

I think Craven is right on the money. You won't catch me standing in front of any bulldozers though.

It occurred to me that my previous post might be misunderstood. I was referring to this tragic event. I admire her intentions, but wouldn't be her.

I don't. She would have been of much more use writing letters and doing small actions than risking her life in a publicity stunt. I feel the same way about monks that set themselves on fire.

Portal Star wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

I think Craven is right on the money. You won't catch me standing in front of any bulldozers though.

It occurred to me that my previous post might be misunderstood. I was referring to this tragic event. I admire her intentions, but wouldn't be her.

I don't. She would have been of much more use writing letters and doing small actions than risking her life in a publicity stunt. I feel the same way about monks that set themselves on fire.

How do you feel about the bulldozer driver who deliberately ran her over like a stray dog?

Don't ask me what the Jews SHOULD do; their problem is beyond my capacity to solve.

Infrablue, you ask what is their problem? Their problem is that they are surrounded by nations and paranational groups that would destroy them if possible, and, as I see it, the day will come when they will be technologically capable of doing so. Isreal cannot just hang in there. Nuclear weapons small enough to be carried into Isreal without detection are an inevitability--if one waits long enough. The motivation to destroy Isreal must somehow be removed, but I don't see how that can happen given the depth of the hatred seen today. By the way, the same applies to New York, Los Angeles and Washington. A scary future, because nations are too pig-headed and self-righteous to make the necessary and truly radical changes in the ways they treat other nations.

Wilso wrote:

Portal Star wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

I think Craven is right on the money. You won't catch me standing in front of any bulldozers though.

It occurred to me that my previous post might be misunderstood. I was referring to this tragic event. I admire her intentions, but wouldn't be her.

I don't. She would have been of much more use writing letters and doing small actions than risking her life in a publicity stunt. I feel the same way about monks that set themselves on fire.

How do you feel about the bulldozer driver who deliberately ran her over like a stray dog?

About the same way you feel about King Kana's land that you are squatting on after wiping out his folks.
Which is about as rational as the absurd canard you posted.

Probably the only reason the Israelis and Jews all over the world want Israel is because we have a STRONG connection to the land.

It was given to us in the Torah (Bible).

We pray everyday three times a day (or more) that we will return to Israel someday.

We pray (again, three times a day) that the Beis HaMikdash (Holy Temple) will be rebuilt.

We talk about aliyot (moving to Israel).

We conclude holidays with the hope that "We'll See You Next Year In Jerusalem".

We add in the Bircas HaMatzon (Grace After Meals) the hope that we will return to Israel.

Our families are buried in Israel (grandparents, cousins, in addition to Avraham Avinu (Abraham), Yitzchak Avinu (Issac), Yaakov Avinu (Jacob) and their wives); we want to visit them.

In short: we love Israel. And we're not about to give up Israel.

At one World Zionist conference some 50 years ago, somebody suggested that we should use Uganda as a refuge for the barely surviving Holocaust surviviors; they were in dire need of a place to live. But the idea was shot down -- we want Israel, not just because we need land, but because it has so much significance to us, in our religion.

Probably the only reason the Israelis and Jews all over the world want Israel is because we have a STRONG connection to the land.

It was given to us in the Torah (Bible).

We pray everyday three times a day (or more) that we will return to Israel someday.

We pray (again, three times a day) that the Beis HaMikdash (Holy Temple) will be rebuilt.

We talk about aliyot (moving to Israel).

We conclude holidays with the hope that "We'll See You Next Year In Jerusalem".

We add in the Bircas HaMatzon (Grace After Meals) the hope that we will return to Israel.

Our families are buried in Israel (grandparents, cousins, in addition to Avraham Avinu (Abraham), Yitzchak Avinu (Issac), Yaakov Avinu (Jacob) and their wives); we want to visit them.

In short: we love Israel. And we're not about to give up Israel.

At one World Zionist conference some 50 years ago, somebody suggested that we should use Uganda as a refuge for the barely surviving Holocaust surviviors; they were in dire need of a place to live. But the idea was shot down -- we want Israel, not just because we need land, but because it has so much significance to us, in our religion.

Moishe3rd
It Is true that the greater percentage of Israeli Jews are not Torah observant. However, IMO one does not need to be Torah observant to have emotional ties with the state of Israel and to Judaism. I should remind you that even secular Jews almost overwhelmingly return to their roots upon death and have traditional religious burials. One may not live as a Jew but most die as one.

Just a thought.

By that criterion, the United States, with its development and exportation of the most decadent forms of entertainment and "art", would be in trouble.