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Obamacare Game Changer

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Rickoshay75
 
Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2012 11:01 am

The Supreme Court will set a precedent no matter which side they take in the Obamacare forced participation. If they rule no than all other forced laws will be revisited, income tax, Social Security, state taxes, and automobile insurance. Allowing workers to opt out of Social security would be a boon to the Republicans. They have been advocating choice for years. Car insurance is the only mandatory law that will survive -- the ABA has strong lobbyists.

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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2012 12:10 pm
@Rickoshay75,
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If they rule no then all other forced laws will be revisited, income tax, Social Security, state taxes, and automobile insurance.
For what it’s worth, not much around here, I’ve thought about that very topic, concluding that probably there’s nothing wrong with the idea of mandatory insurance of various sorts provided only it’s socialized

Yes The Right has relegated that term to a beastly status. However certain kinds of control beyond the purview of the individual such as police and fire protection and military oversight are necessarily socialized. Even The Dexter Community halfheartedly approves of Social Security. So how about auto insurance

Yes logically it’s unconstitutional in its present form. If required by the Government, vehicle coverage should be a Government institution

Largely OT but as an erstwhile writer I find some terms intriguing, “socialized” being one. One of the few terms of our language that doesn’t have a close synonym
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2012 12:28 pm
@dalehileman,
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Yes logically it’s unconstitutional in its present form. If required by the Government, vehicle coverage should be a Government institution


If it is required by the government for all then it is a tax, which must be paid to the government, which in theory is accountable to us. Driving an auto is not required, thus auto insurance is not required, which is why the state can subcontract out this public good to private enterprise.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2012 12:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawk hyour argument is well taken. However much as Public Health, the auto is for all practical purposes a necessity
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2012 12:54 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

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If they rule no then all other forced laws will be revisited, income tax, Social Security, state taxes, and automobile insurance.


For what it’s worth, not much around here, I’ve thought about that very topic, concluding that probably there’s nothing wrong with the idea of mandatory insurance of various sorts provided only it’s socialized

Yes The Right has relegated that term to a beastly status. However certain kinds of control beyond the purview of the individual such as police and fire protection and military oversight are necessarily socialized. Even The Dexter Community halfheartedly approves of Social Security. So how about auto insurance

Yes logically it’s unconstitutional in its present form. If required by the Government, vehicle coverage should be a Government institution

I find some terms intriguing, “socialized” being one. One of the few terms of our language that doesn’t have a close synonym


Republicans have recklessly accused all of Obama's proposals as being socialistic --- that means the Republican synonym for socialism is Obama

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2012 01:00 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Hawk hyour argument is well taken. However much as Public Health, the auto is for all practical purposes a necessity


Given the decrepit state of American mass transit this is true for far more people than it should be, however "required for practicality" does not equal "required for Americans by the state".
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2012 10:09 am
@hawkeye10,
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however "required for practicality" does not equal "required for Americans by the state".
True Hawk, it certainly doesn’t. On the other hand, owing to the general principle that nothing is entirely anything while everything is partly something else, we can’t dismiss the notion that there’s no distinct dividing line between practicality and necessity

For instance I’d agree that some aspects Obamacare such as “forced” health insurance and “free’” contraception don't seem constitutional, in the Big Picture they might nonetheless prove necessary to prevent wipeout of the race by overpopulation and disease
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 25 Jun, 2012 05:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

dalehileman wrote:

Hawk hyour argument is well taken. However much as Public Health, the auto is for all practical purposes a necessity


Given the decrepit state of American mass transit this is true for far more people than it should be, however "required for practicality" does not equal "required for Americans by the state".


I propose that that we all go back to the horse and buggy, more street sweepers would put millions back to work.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2012 10:59 am
@Rickoshay75,
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more street sweepers would put millions back to work.
Somewhat OT Rick but this brings up a controversial subject, that is, whether Governmental or Presidential action can do much to stimulate the economy. Despite my leftist tendencies I harbor right-wing sentiments, can’t imagine how in the longer view Government spending can stimulate the economy
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2012 02:59 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

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more street sweepers would put millions back to work.
Somewhat OT Rick but this brings up a controversial subject, that is, whether Governmental or Presidential action can do much to stimulate the economy. Despite my leftist tendencies I harbor right-wing sentiments, can’t imagine how in the longer view Government spending can stimulate the economy


All presidents have stimulated the economy, and raised the National debt, with government money, and congress members always take care of their people with tax payer pork, all leading to more jobs. If it worked before, why shouldn't it work now?
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2012 03:38 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Gotscha Rick
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2012 04:15 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Gotscha Rick


More on congress boongoggles

The GOP house claim that the national debt is over 15. 5 trillion, and base their penny pinching policy on how serious it is, but only 4.5 trillion is a payable debt, foreign investments, the remaining 11 trillion, borrowed from SS, Medicare, Fed Reserve, and other gov surpluses, will probably never be paid back
dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2012 09:31 am
@Rickoshay75,
It’s appalling
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2012 01:42 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

It’s appalling


In this election season, there are no rules of propriety, just lies, lies, lies, misrepresentations, over-exaggerated fears and suggestive buzzwords. To make it all work, they need susceptible voters, and that's the tragedy, 99 percent gullible voters voting with their emotions, not their interests.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2012 03:50 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Quite so Rick though not sure it’s quite 99 percent. Maybe 88 or 92
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