Atheist Discussion

The history of the Earth and of the life that evolved on it makes the notion of a god so patently absurd that I state unequivocally that one does not exist. The Earth is like a mote of dust in the scheme of the universe. The formless material that cooled and formed a crust with seas, becoming receptive to bits of matter that became life and eventually us - All of it went on for millions of years. Somewhere near the end of it a microspeck on a speck voiced the concept of god. And Frank said, "That queers the whole atheist bit."

I think I understand where you are coming from, Ray.

I think to suppose we can "prove" anything substantial anytime soon on the issues being discussed here...is highly improbable.

And the fact of the matter is that I regularly argue with theists who are certain the "evidence" points to a God being at the center of things...I regularly argue with atheist who are certain that the "evidence" points to there being no gods...I regularly argue with non-dualist adherents who are certain the "evidence" points to there is a non-duality to existence...I regularly argue with Buddhists who argue that the "evidence" points to blah, blah, blah....

But Ray...the "evidence" truly doesn't point anywhere.

We honestly do not know what existence is.

And my suspicion is that humans trying to fathom the nature of existence based on the "evidence" available to them is like an ant trying to fathom the nature of the universe based on the "evidence" avialable to them.


But since everyone seems to want idle speculation...here is some of mine.

I don't think Rex is truly interested in assessing the "evidence" available...I think he is so uncomfortable with the notion "I do not know" that he wants to accept his evidenceless theistic guesses without question.

I don't think Edgar is truly interested in assessing the "evidence" available...I think he is so uncomfortable with the notion "I do not know" that he wants to accept his evidenceless atheistic guesses without question.

I don't think JL is truly interested in assessing the "evidence" available...I think he is so uncomforable with the notion "I do not know" that he wants to accept his evidenceless non-dualistic guesses without question.

Etc., etc., etc.

I am quite content with "I do not know"...

...and as I have mentioned on many occasions...

...I support as much investigation into what is going on here as we can possible muster. I want science to investigate, propose, challenge, and bring to the "evidence" as much impartiality and study as possible.

Maybe some day we will find some answers.

Until then, I see great danger for humanity in the guesses that are treated the way the guesses I mentioned here are treated.

What you call a closed mind is your own straw man argument. You strain at gnats while elephants crawl through.

What you call a closed mind is your own straw man argument. You strain at gnats while elephants crawl through.

While Frank and I were having dinner Frank suggested that I was only guessing that I was eating French food. I knew after seeing the bill and him ducking out to the street that it must have been French food.

While Frank and I were having dinner Frank suggested that I was only guessing that I was eating French food. I knew after seeing the bill and him ducking out to the street that it must have been French food.