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91 year old WWII veteran accused of being Hispanic

 
 
Reply Tue 29 May, 2012 09:39 pm
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World War II vet in Broward on list of potential "noncitizen" voters

Bill Internicola has lived in the United States 91 years and fought for his country in the Battle of the Bulge in World War II, but according to the state of Florida he may not be a citizen.

Internicola received a letter in May from the Broward Supervisor of Elections stating that it received "information from the State of Florida that you are not a United States citizen; however you are registered to vote."

"I went crazy," Internicola said today in an interview near his Davie home. "I couldn't believe it. I called [the Supervisor of Elections office] and said what are you crazy? I've been voting since I was 18 years old."


http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/05/world-war-ii-vet-in-broward-on-list-of-potential-noncitizen-voters.html


 
boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 06:39 am
@maxdancona,
Does Florida really have that many non citizens trying to vote? I would think someone living in the country illegally would avoid calling attention to themselves by voting.

It doesn't say anywhere in that article how they came up with the list. Do you have any idea how they came up with the names?
parados
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 07:06 am
@boomerang,
They compared the list of voters to the list of those holding drivers licenses. It appears resident aliens can get a drivers license that states they are a non US citizen.

Like the felony purge in 2008, they only care that the names are similar since most felons are black and most resident aliens are latino.

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Browning could not get access to reliable citizenship data. So Scott urged election officials to identify non-U.S. citizens by comparing data from the state motor vehicle administration with the voting file.

That process produced a massive list of 182,000 names, which Browning considered unreliable. The Fair Elections Legal Network, which is challenging the purge, noted that database matching is “notoriously unreliable” and “data entry errors, similar-sounding names, and changing information can all produce false matches.” Further, some voters may have naturalized since their driver’s license information was collected.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/26/490971/florida-supervisor-of-elections-scott-voter-purge-remove-eligible-voters/
boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 07:14 am
@parados,
Thank you!
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 07:33 am
This voter purge is a partisan trick. The people being taken off the rolls are largely Hispanic and predominantly democrats. The fewer Hispanics who vote, the better it is for the Republicans (who currently control the state government conveniently running these purges).

These voter purges are happening for one reason. They help the Republicans who run the state to stay in power.

Out of thousands of letters sent there are 10 people they have found to be registered erroneous. (because of errors in voter registration drives).

There are zero cases that have been found where anyone has voted who wasn't a US citizen. Not a single one.

Of course these letters are designed to make life difficult for people who have the hardest time voting. If a percentage of the US citizens who receive these letters can't take the time to gather four pieces of information and stand in line at a government office, then this purge will have prevented people from voting as was its design. This unfairly targets people in poverty, new citizens and 91 year old WWII veterans.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 07:36 am
@parados,
In other word most of the people rightly or wrongly they wished to get off the voting rolls are far more likely to vote for Democrats then not.

More the thirty percents of black males in Florida can not vote now due to felonies convictions and one of the first things that Governor Scott did after taking office was to make it harder to regain that right to vote.

So to sum up we do not have a problem with large numbers of illegal voters but too many voters that does not vote for the GOP.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 07:37 am
@parados,
For the record, Browning resigned. He was replaced by Governor Rick Scott with someone with a weaker sense of ethics.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 07:50 am
@maxdancona,
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Out of thousands of letters sent there are 10 people they have found to be registered erroneous. (because of errors in voter registration drives).

There are zero cases that have been found where anyone has voted who wasn't a US citizen. Not a single one.


Do you have any idea how much this has cost the state?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 07:55 am
@boomerang,
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Do you have any idea how much this has cost the state?


Like the drug testing program that Scott is trying to get into place I am sure that whoever the providers of the service to check the voters rolls are they will be GOP supporters.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 09:39 am
@parados,
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They compared the list of voters to the list of those holding drivers licenses. It appears resident aliens can get a drivers license that states they are a non US citizen.


Au contraire! I just had to renew my driver's license in Florida. There is a new rule that people renewing have to follow for the last couple of years.

The person needs to prove citizenship ( birth certificate, passport, etc.), prove that they are who they are,and show proof of residency.

I had to bring my birth certificate, my voter registration card, my marriage certificate to my first husband, my marriage certificate to my second husband, a 1099 (to show social security number) and a couple of mailings from my bank.


http://www.gathergoget.com/

I think that you only have to do this once, but once is quite enough, thank you!
parados
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 03:56 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Welcome to America.

Now show us your papers!!

(And if you don't drive, you can't vote.)
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 30 May, 2012 06:36 pm
@parados,
Ve haf vays of making you don't vote.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 10:21 am
I'm very worried.

At the risk of eliciting howls of "Get over it!" from those who were pleased with the results of the 2000 presidential elections, a brief recap:

Conservative (small 'c') estimates put the number of voters misidentified as felons and purged from the voting rolls in Florida in 2000 at as many as 11,000 .

Bush's final margin of victory was 537 votes in Florida.

http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/2001_09/20010909.html

Katherine Harris, a bunch of Republican operatives masquerading as "rioters", and a neocon influenced Supreme Court all did their bit as well.

I'm wondering...
What can we actually do to try and help prevent another election where our candidate wins the popular vote by half a million, and still loses because of high-level impropriety?
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 06:52 pm
It looks like the Governor of Florida got caught trying to purge over 180,000 names from the voter rolls. Maybe this justice department will serve as some counter balance to the dirty rat bastard tricks of the GOP:

The Justice Department sent a letter to Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner Thursday evening demanding the state cease purging its voting rolls because the process it is using has not been cleared under the Voting Rights Act, TPM has learned.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/justice_department_demands_florida_stop_purging_voter_rolls.php
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 06:59 pm
Now they need to put the names back in place.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 03:43 pm
I hope enough people get worried enough to fend off this effort to subvert the 2012 election. This is real! the republicans organize around suppressing the vote just like the democrats organize around expanding it - the republicans are better at it.

Are We About to See Another Stolen Presidential Election?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/06/gop-vote-suppression-election

Back in 2000, 12,000 eligible voters—a number twenty-two times larger than George W. Bush's 537 vote triumph over Al Gore—were wrongly identified as convicted felons and purged from the voting rolls in Florida, according to the Brennan Center for Justice.

African Americans, who favored Gore over Bush by 86 points, accounted for 11 percent of the state's electorate but 41 percent of those purged. Jeb Bush attempted a repeat performance in 2004 to help his brother win reelection but was forced to back off in the face of a public outcry.

Yet with another close election looming, Florida Republicans have returned to their voter-scrubbing ways. The latest purge comes on the heels of a trio of new voting restrictions passed by Florida Republicans last year, disenfranchising 100,000 previously eligible ex-felons who'd been granted the right to vote under GOP Governor Charlie Crist in 2008; shutting down non-partisan voter registration drives; and cutting back on early voting.

The measures, the effect of which will be to depress Democratic turnout in November, are similar to voting curbs passed by Republicans in more than a dozen states, on the bogus pretext of combating "voter fraud" but with the very deliberate goal of shaping the electorate to the GOP's advantage before a single vote has been cast.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 03:47 pm
I agree, snood. Between rigging voting machines and suppressing targeted voters, the GOP stands to surge at the polling booths.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 04:16 pm
It's against the law for ex-felons to vote, really?
Up here, they vote in prison, no restrictions at all.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 04:48 pm
@Ceili,
That's why you guys are stuck with a functional healthcare system.
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