Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 07:38 pm
Well, the new year is upon us, and the time is dwindling, while the penultimate hand ticks ever more spitefully. So, to be frank, and to avoid the complexities of philosophical or intellectual jargon, to avoid sophistry, and the omnipresent idiocy which dilutes the aura of our perception, I ask, exactly, what is next...
For the world, for humanity.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 07:49 pm
@Tifinden,
Tuesday. That's tomorrow.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2012 08:59 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I am tomorrow's next... Wink
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:52 am
@Tifinden,
Quote:
I ask, exactly, what is next...For the world, for humanity.



Well, let me be Frank in return, Tifinder.

I do not know what is in store for "humanity"...but for the good of the planet Earth, I gotta be hoping that less "humanity" is in store for us. We humans are a very destructive species.

As Agent Smith in the movie, The Matrix, noted…

"I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren’t actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we... are the cure."

I'm just hoping we can cure ourselves...before we pollute the planet beyond saving.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 03:02 am
@Frank Apisa,
I think Agent Smith was speaking very generally, and frankly, he's a racist mf.
But he does have a point, and so do you.

I would love to see a new globl economic system, one that allows us to act from our moral principles of humanity rather than our selfish need for preservance. We need revolution, and I do not think those who's got the world by the balls are going to step back without a fight, I'm sorry to say.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 09:55 am
@Frank Apisa,
(1) Agent Smith has a gift for rhetoric and metaphor-coining. His powers of reasoning and observation, however, are severely limited.

(2) If we're really going to get serious about this silliest of threads, I believe that the only operative principle is que sera, sera. Speculation about what to expect,what we should have done or, as a species, what we should do are moot areas of total futility and,really,notworth discussing.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 10:28 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Any chance we get to reference that fantastic speech from Agent Smith is worthwhile IMO Smile
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 10:31 am
@rosborne979,
Oh, no argument. Well said, well put. (Not necessarily well thought out but a great quote to reference!)
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Tifinden
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 10:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
Macabre, yet eloquently mysterious from a figure of grand destruction.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 11:29 am
Tif, Lustig, Rosborne, Cyracuz, Fil…

…the very first time I heard that bit of dialogue from Agent Smith, I damn exploded with delight. I knew I would be able to use that bit of “wisdom” in debate and discussion…and have several times. There was a lot being said in that comment.

Klaatu’s “I came to save the Earth” from The Day the Earth Stood Still…along with his subsequent “explanation" does the same job.

It is damn near impossible for us as humans (homo sapiens) truly to conceive of us as being primitive and destructive of existence…but there is the possibility that our species is something feared in “the greater scheme of things.”

“What’s next for us” may very well depend on things we don’t even want to think about. Like a virus doesn’t know when it is about to be hit by medical treatment that will end its existence…or when a growing cancer is about to be terminated.

Anyway, whoever wrote the line for the Agent Smith character has my love and respect…and thanks.

So do all you folk for discussing it with me. Thanks.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Tif, Lustig, Rosborne, Cyracuz, Fil…

…the very first time I heard that bit of dialogue from Agent Smith, I damn exploded with delight. I knew I would be able to use that bit of “wisdom” in debate and discussion…and have several times. There was a lot being said in that comment.
It wasn't just what he said that was so delicious, it was the way Hugo Weaving delivered it.

So eloquent yet malicious was his character (Agent Smith) that when I first saw him in Lord of The Rings as Elrond, I flinched and almost yelled at the screen, "get out of there, it's an Agent!" Smile
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:33 pm
@rosborne979,
Agents Smith is actually far more interesting character then Neo... Wink
...what has not been said do is that virus are in fact very welcome and necessary to the planet bio balance...another point of suspicion regarding opinions of this kind reminds me that old tendency we all have to speak on unnatural or artificial things without very much clarify what unnatural or artificial actually can possibly mean or assert with strong significance...Agent Smith speech is certainly eye catching and to an extent makes common sense, but then, while that is certainly enough for an action film with some Starbucks philosophy in it, it takes a bit more then that to make me think of it as a great quote...
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:34 pm
@rosborne979,
My wife, Nancy and I love to see characters in movies where we have to figure out where we've seen 'em before. We give it our best...and then I go and and Google the cast to see the other parts the person has played.

Sometimes the result is stunning...as was the case for one of the characters in Game of Thrones. The British actors and actresses have been especially busy lately...and finding their many roles is a gas.

I'll look for this Hugo Weaving guy! He is cool.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:36 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I agree that Agent Smith is much, much more complex and interesting than Neo, Fil. But then again, Neo is played by Keanu Reeves...and where are you going with that. He played Neo again as Klaatu!
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
IMDB.com is the best way to find information like that. You can see all of Hugo Weaving's films summarized.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Don´t get me wrong Frank I loved Matrix from beginning to end, a great bit of entertainment...as for Keanu Reeves suffices to say that it sells well at least for half of the population... Laughing
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 02:53 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

I agree that Agent Smith is much, much more complex and interesting than Neo, Fil. But then again, Neo is played by Keanu Reeves...and where are you going with that. He played Neo again as Klaatu!
I thought Keanu did a good job as Neo. Over all The Matrix was an excellent movie with a lot of good characters and actors, and a world of new ideas.

I was in High Tech at the time The Matrix was released. I managed a department full of young "hotshot" programmers and networkers busily designing the embedded systems of the Internet.

I remember how well The Matrix meshed with the general feeling of the time; a feeling like we were creating a new world and that nobody knew where it was going. We were in the upswing of the high tech bubble, jobs were a dime a dozen, Y2K had yet to occur and Internet IPO's were blooming like flowers in May.

Neo's closing message to the machines was like lightning in our minds. It expressed what I think a lot of us felt about the work we were doing and the excitement we felt.

It was a movie well placed in its time.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 03:16 pm
@rosborne979,
Yup...and it inspired more Halloween costumes than I ever would have thought possible. We still have Neo's coming to our door trick or treating!
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 03:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well, it's an easy costume for all the little nerds who want to look cool Wink It's hard to go wrong with a black leather duster.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Tue 22 May, 2012 05:11 pm
This thread should have an alternative title... "A tribute to Agent Smith".
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