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Revisiting the 1st amendment

 
 
Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:26 pm
First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

As you can see the first amendment is ALL about religion. freedom of speech, Press, and assembly are all church related. That was and is very clear to independent grammarians, and forth grade English students. Why it was later interpreted to include everyone will probably never be known, but you can be sure that it was about money or power.

“No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you should never trust experts.” Lord Salisbury
 
Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:30 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Quote:
and forth grade English students
May the forth be with you.
contrex
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:32 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

Quote:
and forth grade English students
May the forth be with you.


The bridge that they never stopped painting... until now with 3-layer glass flake epoxy.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:33 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Quote:
Press, and assembly are all church related


LOL...............
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:36 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:

Quote:
and forth grade English students
May the forth be with you.


So I made a typo, so what.
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:37 pm
@Irishk,
Irishk wrote:
Quote:
and forth grade English students
May the forth be with you.


the Firth of Forth?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/FirthofForthmap.png/800px-FirthofForthmap.png
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:37 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Press, and assembly are all church related


LOL...............
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Irishk
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:38 pm
@djjd62,
I <3 Colin Firth!!!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:49 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Have you considered either professional counseling, or perhaps cracking some books? Freedom speech and of the press refer to the power of censorship which was exercised, unchallenged, by the Crown before and after the civil wars of the 17th century. Ironically, the civil wars having been won by religious dissidents, neither the Lord Protector nor his puppet Parliament imposed official censorship. The right of assembly specifically refers to the Riot Act. Look it up some time, educate yourself.

Every one of the first eight amendments is a direct reference to the greivances of the civil wars of the 17th century (1640-1651), or the acts of Parliament after 1660. Every one of them seeks to prevent or redress the abuses which the framers' fathers and grandfathers had been intimately familiar with. You just display your ignorance.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:56 pm
@djjd62,
I think you have confused that with the Mull of Kintyre.



(Did you know that the Romans introduced the bagpipes to Britian? It was all a part of their nefarious, obsessive religious program.)
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 01:57 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Press, and assembly are all church related


LOL...............


You're showing your ignorance.

Of course they used printing back then, just like today, tracts to advertise -- to attract new converts -- FYI assembly is the same as congregation. ..

I don't mind criticism, but I do mind inane levity

Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 02:12 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Have you considered either professional counseling,


Struck a raw nerve, did I. --- good, It stimulated you to respond with intelligence, not just the usual inane echo.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 02:20 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Hey asshole, you didn't strike any nerves, and i don't deal in echoes. If i laugh at your idiocy, the material will be original.

Clown

Ignoramus
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 02:50 pm
while set has his own pleasant style of greeting, he is correct and you are wrong Ricky. The first Amendment has been detailed in many Supreme Court decisions and each phrase has been addressed in unique and seperable rulings.

You may insist that you are correct but insisting doesnt make it so. Itd be better to just accept that youre mistaken and just move on. Please dont compound your error with stubborn ignorance.

wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 02:59 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rickoshay75 wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Press, and assembly are all church related


LOL...............


You're showing your ignorance.

Of course they used printing back then, just like today, tracts to advertise -- to attract new converts -- FYI assembly is the same as congregation. ..

I don't mind criticism, but I do mind inane levity


Yes. Let us look at the words used in the first amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

"religion" (obviously church-related)
"prohibiting" (something churches love to do)
"speech" (another word for sermon)
"press" (another word for bible tracts)
"assembly" (another word for congregation)
"petition" (another word for pray)
"redress" (priests wear dresses for Sunday service)

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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 02:59 pm
@farmerman,
Heres a list of SUPREME COURT RULINGS just on the first amendment. AS you can see that, although a huge load of these cases are regarding the clauses regarding religion and its practice, many cases involving the other clauses were also taken up and decided.Most recent was the "citizens United" case that stated that free speech extended to more than individuals.

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The Establishment of Religion[edit]

Standing to sue
Flast v. Cohen (1968)
Valley Forges and people Christian College v. Americans United for Separation of Church and State (1982)
Bender v. Williamsport (1986)


[edit] Tax exemption to religious institutions

Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York (1970)
Bob Jones University v. United States (1983)
Texas Monthly, Inc. v. Bullock (1989)
[edit] Legislative chaplains
Marsh v. Chambers (1983)

[edit] Government-sponsored religious displays
Lynch v. Donnelly (1984)
County of Allegheny v. ACLU Greater Pittsburgh Chapter (1989)
McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky (2005)
Van Orden v. Perry (2005)
[edit] Religion in public education

McCollum v. Board of Education (1948)
Zorach v. Clauson (1952)
Engel v. Vitale (1962)
Abington Township School District v. Schempp (1963)
Epperson v. Arkansas (1968)
Stone v. Graham (1980)
Agostini v. Felton (1997)
Mitchell v. Helms (2000)
[edit] Prayer in public schools

Wallace v. Jaffree (1985)
Lee v. Weisman (1992)
Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe (2000)
Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow (2004)
[edit] Teaching of creationism in public schools
Edwards v. Aguillard (1987)

[edit] Governmental aid to church-related schools

Pierce v. Society of Sisters (1925)
Cochran v. Louisiana State Board of Education (1930)
Everson v. Board of Education (1947)
Board of Education v. Allen (1968)
Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971)
Tilton v. Richardson (1971)
Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist (1973)
Meek v. Pittenger (1975)
Roemer v. Board of Public Works of Maryland (1976)
Wolman v. Walter (1977)
Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Regan (1980)
Mueller v. Allen (1983)
Aguilar v. Felton (1985)
Grand Rapids School District v. Ball (1985)
Zobrest v. Catalina Foothills School District (1993)
Zelman v. Simmons-Harris (2002)
[edit] Blue laws

McGowan v. Maryland (1961)
Braunfeld v. Brown (1961)
Gallagher v. Crown Kosher Super Market of Mass., Inc. (1961)
Thorton v. Caldor (1985)
[edit] Religious institution functioning as a government agency

Larkin v. Grendel’s Den (1982)
Bowen v. Kendrick (1988)
Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School v. Grumet (1994)
[edit] Unequal government treatment of religious groups

Larson v. Valente (1982)
[edit] The free exercise of religion

[edit] PolygamyReynolds v. United States (1878)
Davis v. Beason (1890)
[edit] The Jehovah's Witnesses cases

Cantwell v. Connecticut (1940)
Jones v. City of Opelika (I) (1942)
Jones v. City of Opelika (II) (1943)
Murdock v. Pennsylvania (1943)
Minersville School District v. Gobitis (1940)
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943)
Cox v. New Hampshire (1941)
Prince v. Massachusetts (1944)
[edit] Religion and the right to work

Sherbert v. Verner (1963)
Trans World Airlines v. Hardison (1977)
Ohio Civil Rights Commission v. Dayton Christian Schools (1986)
Corporation of the Presiding Bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v. Amos (1987)
Employment Division v. Smith (1990)
United States v. National Treasury Employees Union (1995)
[edit] Religious tests for public service or benefits

Torcaso v. Watkins (1961)
McDaniel v. Paty (1978)
Thomas v. Review Board of the Indiana Employment Security Division (1981)
Goldman v. Weinberger (1986)
Bowen v. Roy (1986)
Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942)
[edit] Free exercise and free speech

R. A. V. v. City of St. Paul (1992)
Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao do Vegetal (2006)
[edit] Free exercise and public education

Wisconsin v. Yoder (1972)
Widmar v. Vincent (1981)
Board of Education of the Westside Community Schools v. Mergens (1990)
Lamb's Chapel v. Center Moriches Union Free School District (1993)
Rosenberger v. Rector and Visitors of the University of Virginia (1995)
[edit] Free Exercise and public property

Capitol Square Review and Advisory Board v. Pinette (1995)
[edit] Solicitation by religious groups

Heffron v. International Society for Krishna Consciousness (1981)
[edit] Free exercise and eminent domain

Lyng v. Northwest Indian Cemetery Protective Association (1988)
City of Boerne v. Flores (1997)
[edit] Ritual sacrifice of animals

Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah (1993)
[edit] Government intervention in church controversies

United States v. Ballard (1944)
Kedroff v. Saint Nicholas Cathedral (1952)
Presbyterian Church v. Hull Church (1969)
Jones v. Wolf (1979)
[edit] Free speech Freedom of speech portal


[edit] Sedition and imminent danger

Schenck v. United States (1919)
Abrams v. United States (1919)
Gitlow v. New York (1925)
Whitney v. California (1927)
Dennis v. United States (1951)
Yates v. United States (1957)
Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969)
[edit] Fighting words and the heckler's veto

Cantwell v. Connecticut (1940)
Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942)
Terminiello v. Chicago (1949)
Feiner v. New York (1951)
R. A. V. v. City of St. Paul (1992)
Snyder v. Phelps (2011)
[edit] Freedom of assembly and public forums

Hague v. CIO (1939)
Schneider v. New Jersey (1939)
Martin v. Struthers (1943)
Cox v. Louisiana (1965)
Brown v. Louisiana (1966)
Adderley v. Florida (1966)
Coates v. Cincinnati (1971)
Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins (1980)
Hill v. Colorado (2000)
[edit] Symbolic speech

United States v. O'Brien (1968)
Cohen v. California (1971)
Texas v. Johnson (1989)
United States v. Eichman (1990)
[edit] Compelled speech

Minersville School District v. Gobitis (1940)
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943)
Wooley v. Maynard (1977)
Board of Regents of the University of Wisconsin System v. Southworth (2000)
Davenport v. Washington Education Association (2007)
[edit] School speech

Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District (1969)
Board of Education v. Pico (1982)
Bethel School District No. 403 v. Fraser (1986)
Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier (1988)
Rosenberger v. University of Virginia (1995)
Morse v. Frederick (2007)
[edit] Obscenity

[edit] GenerallyCases concerned with the definition of obscenity and whether a particular work or type of material is obscene

Roth v. United States (1957)
Alberts v. California, (1957)
One, Inc. v. Owen, (1958)
MANual Enterprises v. Day, (1962)
Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964)
Memoirs v. Massachusetts, (1966)
Kois v. Wisconsin (1972)
Miller v. California (1973)
Jenkins v. Georgia (1974)
New York v. Ferber (1982)
Osborne v. Ohio (1990)
United States v. Stevens (2010)
[edit] As criminal offenseAppeals of criminal convictions for possessing, selling or distributing obscenity that focused on that issue

Rosen v. United States (1896)
Butler v. Michigan (1957)
Smith v. California, (1959)
Stanley v. Georgia (1969)
Ginzburg v. United States, (1966)
Mishkin v. New York, (1966)
Redrup v. New York (1967)
Ginsberg v. New York (1968)
Blount v. Rizzi (1971)
United States v. Reidel (1971)
Heller v. New York (1973)
United States v. Orito (1973)
United States v. X-Citement Video (1994)
[edit] Search, seizure and forfeitureCases involving the search and seizure of allegedly obscene material

Marcus v. Search Warrant, (1961)
Quantity of Books v. Kansas (1964)
Lee Art Theatre, Inc. v. Virginia (1968)
United States v. Thirty-seven Photographs (1971)
United States v. 12 200-ft. Reels of Film (1973)
Roaden v. Kentucky (1973)
Lo-Ji Sales, Inc., v. New York (1979)
Maryland v. Macon (1985)
New York v. P.J. Video, Inc. (1986)
[edit] Civil and administrative regulationCases dealing with civil and administrative regulatory procedures aimed at suppressing or restricting obscenity, such as film-licensing boards or zoning regulations.

Kingsley Books, Inc. v. Brown (1957)
Kingsley Int'l Pictures Corp. v. Regents of Univ. of N. Y. (1959)
Times Film Corp. v. Chicago (1961)
Bantam Books v. Sullivan (1963)
Freedman v. Maryland (1965)
Paris Adult Theatre I v. Slaton (1973)
Renton v. Playtime Theatres, Inc. (1986)
United States v. Playboy Entertainment Group (2000)
[edit] InternetCases involving laws meant to restrict obscenity online

Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union (1997)
Ashcroft v. American Civil Liberties Union (2002)
Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition (2002)
[edit] Speech by public employees

Pickering v. Board of Education (1968)
Mt. Healthy City School Dist. Bd. of Ed. v. Doyle (1977)
Givhan v. Western Line Consol. School Dist. (1979)
Snepp v. United States (1980)
Connick v. Myers (1983)
Rankin v. McPherson (1987)
Waters v. Churchill (1994)
United States v. National Treasury Employees Union (1995)
San Diego v. Roe (2004)
Garcetti v. Ceballos (2007)
Borough of Duryea v. Guarnieri (2011)
[edit] Loyalty oaths and affirmations

Garner v. Board of Public Works, (1951)
Adler v. Board of Ed. of City of New York, (1952)
Wiemann v. Updegraff, (1952)
Cramp v. Board of Public Instruction, (1961)
Keyishian v. Board of Regents, (1965)
[edit] Political activity and Hatch ActEx parte Curtis (1882)

United Public Workers v. Mitchell (1947)
United States Civil Service Commission v. National Association of Letter Carriers (1973)
Broadrick v. Oklahoma (1973)
[edit] Commercial speech

Valentine v. Chrestensen (1942)
Pittsburgh Press Co. v. Pittsburgh Commission on Human Relations (1973)
Bigelow v. Commonwealth of Virginia (1974)
Virginia State Pharmacy Board v. Virginia Citizens Consumer Council (1976)
Bates v. State Bar of Arizona (1977)
Linmark Associates, Inc. v. Willingboro (1977)
Central Hudson Gas & Electric Corp. v. Public Service Commission (1980)
Consol. Edison Co. v. Public Serv. Comm'n (1980)
44 Liquormart, Inc. v. Rhode Island (1996)
[edit] Freedom of the press[edit]

Prior restraints and censorshipNear v. Minnesota (1931)
Lovell v. City of Griffin (1938)
New York Times Co. v. United States (1971)
Miami Herald Publishing Co. v. Tornillo (1974)
Nebraska Press Assn. v. Stuart (1976)
Houchins v. KQED, Inc. (1978)
[edit] Taxation and privileges

Grosjean v. American Press Co. (1936)
Branzburg v. Hayes (1972)
Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner (1983)
[edit] Defamation

New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964)
Curtis Publishing Co. v. Butts (1967)
Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. (1974)
Bose Corp. v. Consumers Union of United States, Inc. (1981)
Dun & Bradstreet, Inc. v. Greenmoss Builders, Inc. (1985)
McDonald v. Smith (1985)
Hustler Magazine v. Falwell (1988)
Milkovich v. Lorain Journal Co. (1990)
[edit] Broadcast media

Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC (1968)
FCC v. Pacifica Foundation (1989)
Turner Broadcasting v. FCC (1995)
[edit] Freedom of association

NAACP v. Alabama (1958)
Shelton v. Tucker (1960)
Branti v. Finkel (1979)
Roberts v. United States Jaycees (1984)
Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Group of Boston (1995)
Boy Scouts of America v. Dale (2000)
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 03:00 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

while set has his own pleasant style of greeting, he is correct and you are wrong Ricky. The first Amendment has been detailed in many Supreme Court decisions and each phrase has been addressed in unique and seperable rulings.

You may insist that you are correct but insisting doesnt make it so. Itd be better to just accept that youre mistaken and just move on. Please dont compound your error with stubborn ignorance.




What's real is what this forum is all about isn't it?

You allow me my reality and I'll allow you yours.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 03:25 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rickoshay75 wrote:

Irishk wrote:

Quote:
and forth grade English students
May the forth be with you.


So I made a typo, so what.



So what? So it's the type of typo you'll never live down. See, when you post something that you should know most people here will disagree with, you really have to be careful about your typing and how you phrase it.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 03:25 pm
@Rickoshay75,
You need to be corrected . This is not a matter of "my v your realities". IT has to do with facts, of which you are not entitled to miscarry on the page.
Youre still just being stubbornly ignorant and in public too.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 15 May, 2012 03:31 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rickoshay75 wrote:
You allow me my reality and I'll allow you yours.


And now you seem to be confusing "reality" with fantasy and a poor understanding of the English language as it is used in the Constitution and the Amendments thereto.
 

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