This is why I have a problem with the concept that the big bang started time. I don't even see how the first moment could even occur with out first having time.
Very interesting Krum you should so remark and in fact to skirt that sort of paradox I assert that She exists forever
That doesn’t mean however that She drops out of existence between productions and that’s why I also maintain that instant to be of zero duration
However it’s very difficult to entertain the idea of time in a state of nothingness and so I lean to the others’ view that it has a very real “independent” reality
Whatever that means
Maybe but I don't see the relevance. I have a hard time grasping why a "being", "entity", "god" would do anything, consciously or unconsciously. Here is an aspect that just about no theists ever consider.
I'll grant the notion that a god exists for this argument.
What if a god exists but is not the cause behind the universe? What if it believes that it created the universe but in all actuality it did not? Is this not a possibility?
If you say it would have to know because it has the characteristic of all knowing. It would be aware that it did not create the universe.
Okay let's say he knows it is not the cause. Could the universe still not have been created by this "god"? Even knowing that it is not the cause? Or is this unbelievable?
The simple plausability for this to occur renders the whole thing meaningless. If a god exists yet is not the cause behind the universe then what good is this god? Because it might play some role? Well if it plays some role then it should be clearly defined? There are many theists who claim they have their gods clearly defined plan all worked out but odd how none of them seem to agree on it.
I say if a god is so abstract to be everything without remainder then what good is it? It is irrelevant and impractical. Why would it care? If it even did care? I don't even see how such an abstract concept could even care. Wouldn't it have to be both? Care and not care equally? This abstract concept creates more problems than it solves. Which is why I think most theists abandon it in favor a "god" which clearly defined characteristics.