"Austerity" now a dirty word in Europe

@izzythepush,

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Your costs are more expensive because you have to pay the insurance companies as well. You're the ones with the added layer.

We also have to hand over a lot more money to the drug companies than you do, and we spend a lot more than you do for unnecessary work. The American system suffers from three separate fatal failures, ONE it is inefficient in organization and TWO it is not able to rationally connect the level of need for care with a reasonable use (expense) of care and THREE many parties are skimming off large sums of monies to put into their pockets, a situation which was allowed to develop through poor (corrupt) management of our poorly organized system.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Are you seriously suggesting we throw Ukraine out of the EU?

It was sarcasm. I was not aware that the tag was required here, as it was obvious to all but the most dim.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

You're ignoring the high cost of medicine. People die because they can't pay for the drugs they need.

You've just cited a list of reasons why poor people need to go to hospital more often, but what cover they get is third rate to say the least. It's ghettoising the poor, keeping them out of sight, and making it a lot harder for them to move out of poverty. We've got a thing called postcode prejudice over here, where people in certain areas find it hard to get job interviews. Making them go to different hospitals from the rest of us, would make it much worse.

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@izzythepush,

I'm sure the same are happening all around the world, but it's inexcusable for the "richest country in the world" to have people die from lack of health care.

That's the reason I have advocated for universal health care in the US; we spend the most per capita, but still have over 50 million folks without health care. It's a tragedy.

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People have short memories. Most Americans were poor after WWII, and most were in the same "boat;" poor and struggling. This country provided us with the opportunity to go to college, find work, and raise a family - and most have lived a pretty good standard of living. Most people have forgotten all this, and now wants everyone to "take care of themselves," forgetting that without our government programs of the past, we would still be poor and struggling.

Hopeless.

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@cicerone imposter,

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It's a tragedy.

It is self induced. We have known that health care is fatally flawed for many decades, we simply are not capable of fixing it. The nation is too corrupt, the people in the majority are too stupid, and the political system no longer works so even if we wanted to fix it and magically got wise enough to figure out a fix we could never implement it.

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@hawkeye10,

I'm afraid you have the right perspective of our country today.

Congress has a 12% approval rating, and the American people continue to vote in the same people.

There's no cure for s........

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@Lustig Andrei,

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Since when can one apply the word "seriously" to anything posted by hawkeye?

You folks have no shame, Merry. You, of all people, whining about Hawk's postings not being "serious". What a hypocrite you are.

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@hawkeye10,

So are you saying that Ukraine should stay in the EU?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Your costs are more expensive because you have to pay the insurance companies as well. You're the ones with the added layer.

We also have to hand over a lot more money to the drug companies than you do, and we spend a lot more than you do for unnecessary work. The American system suffers from three separate fatal failures, ONE it is inefficient in organization and TWO it is not able to rationally connect the level of need for care with a reasonable use (expense) of care and THREE many parties are skimming off large sums of monies to put into their pockets, a situation which was allowed to develop through poor (corrupt) management of our poorly organized system.

Every now and again you post something I agree with.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm afraid you have the right perspective of our country today.

Congress has a 12% approval rating, and the American people continue to vote in the same people.

There's no cure for s........

Likewise as hinted at in my so far ignored "Land of Opportunity" thread Americans still by and large believe that if they promote the desires of a wealthy class then they might one day be one of the wealthy and thus take advantage of the ease of getting wealth. The truth is that almost always what happens is that those who already have the most take more leaving the rest of us with less, and that those who are not already part of the wealthy class never will be or can be.

We have been conned into handing over our loot to the bandits....because we are STUPID!

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@izzythepush,

That's only the tip of the iceberg; we still give farmers over $100 billion in subsidies every year. A hundred billion there, a hundred billion here, and pretty soon we're talking big money! Mr. Green

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@hawkeye10,

That is STUPID! Can't they see for themselves what's been happening since GW Bush's 2001-2003 tax cuts, most middle class have been losing ground while the wealthy gets richer. Where are the jobs that GW Bush promised with his tax cuts? They now want to blame Obama for not creating enough jobs - all while the conservatives continue to kill government jobs by the thousands. Plus 1 minus 2 always equals a negative number; a simple fact conservatives fail to understand.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Well **** then, why not just kick these countries out of the EU if they so offend your morality?

The UEAFA organises the EURO 2012 (and any European football championship). It has nothing to do with the EU at all, but is even three years older than the ECC. (And has with 53 members six member states more than the Council of Europe.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

The point was that once you start down the road Izzy is on deciding who is morally pure enough to be your equal it is slippery slope towards hell.

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@hawkeye10,

I wasn't replying to any of izzy's posts but to your response:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Well **** then, why not just kick these countries out of the EU if they so offend your morality?

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@Walter Hinteler,

It is a good idea to follow a conversion for a spell before you attempt to jump in....

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@hawkeye10,

**** off Hawkeye, this isn't about saying who is morally pure enough to be one's equal it's about certain standards.

Racism in football has a long and ignoble history. UEFA should never award such a prestigious competition to a country that hasn't taken efforts to stamp it out. Certain things that are openly tolerated on the terraces in Poland and Ukraine would result in arrests in most of Western Europe.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Hawkeye is completely idiotic, fancy suggesting Ukraine be thrown out of the EU when they're just about to take up the rotating presidency. He'll be trying to kick them out of the Eurozone next.

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@hawkeye10,

Just another degradation the poor must endure. For some it is a motivator and for others it's not the big deal you may think it is. Unfortunately there are too many for whom it something they simply must endure. It's better than leaving them to fare for themselves though.

You'll note that I specifically wrote that the system available to them is neither the most effective nor the most efficient. We all suffer certain degradations to get by. Who said life is a bowl of cherries?

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@izzythepush,

I'm not suggesting your system is the equivalent of ObamaCare.

I don't know enough about your system to make so precise a comparison.

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