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Why does the Universe exist?

 
 
Michael Wingrove
 
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Mon 14 Nov, 2016 10:42 pm
@TuringEquivalent,
No one can truly answer why the universe exists. There are really only two approaches to finding the answer though. One of which is a religious viewpoint, from this we believe that a supreme being such as God has created the universe for us because we are his sons and daughters. We believe that everything else that was created was created to benefit us in some way for example we believe cows only purpose is for us to consume and that they do not exist only to exist. We believe that everything's purpose is so us and they have no other reason to exist. The other approach is the scientific view which is an example of the Big Bang theory. All of the scientific approaches are all theories though because there is not sufficient proof to back up any of the theories. In this view we believe we were created as a part of science and we have evolved to the people we are only through the luck of science. Either way both approaches prove that we must exist therefore this question cannot remained unanswered.
bpaptu
 
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Mon 14 Nov, 2016 11:15 pm
@TuringEquivalent,
Our universe's existence can cause us to formulate questions about how it has come to be. Over the years, thousands of theories have risen up, some making more sense than others. Some of the most believable theories are the Big Bang Theory, the String Theory, and the Time's Arrow Theory. The theory that makes the most sense to me is the Big Bang Theory as it provides a direct possible answer as to why the universe has come to be. Although science is mainly just theories and expanded explanations, it still makes one believe that it is true. What was considered nothing but extremely hot and dense, the universe suddenly expanded, receiving the name the "Big Bang", resulting in the formation of atoms, which eventually led to the creation of stars and galaxies. Compared to the story of God creating the universe, this makes more sense because it goes into detail. Our specific universe's existence is more difficult to comprehend. There are theories, but no straight possible answer such as the Big Bang theory. We may view our universe as reality, however we do not really know what we are and how we exactly came into existence. We may never know what lies beyond our universe as there could be a parallel universe and ours is merely a reflection or parallel of many others. Our reality could just be a simulation programmed for greater beings of which we have no clue that they are observing or examining us. We could have been formed through a collision between time and space. These theories or arguments may seem over-exaggerated, but they are not entirely wrong as one of them could be true. They can help support other explanations as to why our specific universe exists, however no human mind has been able to conceive the idea and be able thoroughly explain it.
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noubxr99
 
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Mon 14 Nov, 2016 11:27 pm
@TuringEquivalent,


The ideology of a Universe is so complex and includes many factors within in. Now, in terms of why the Universe actually exists is truly a very difficult question to answer simply because of its difficulty to prove its existence. Firstly, the Universe exists in order to have purpose. Now one can argue as to why there even needs to be a purpose. Well, in that case one can simply state that there is completely nothing and no purpose is required for any means. Initially, in order to answer such a question, one must reflect upon their religion and customs to make such a conclusion. Even then, one still will not achieve a firm grasp of the whole idea simply of its ease to disprove the idea. A famous priest, by the name of St. Thomas Aquinas said that there is no such thing as "infinite regression". Nonetheless, this means that one can only trace back as far as possible; thus making the ideology of something existing much more difficult to comprehend. Additionally, Aquinas states that we need an unmoved mover. That is to say, that there must be something contingent in order for other things to have a purpose. From contingent things come necessary things. For instance, the creation of our planet, Earth, is truly a magnificent fact. Many argue that it was the cause of the Big Bang Theory. If this were to be the case, then what cause the chemical reaction for the Bang to truly occur in the first place? One might argue that particles and dust and other aspects but how far can one regress in order to say that those chemicals were necessary. Moreover, it is also easy to say that the chemicals were contingent and due to the combination, here we are today as living and breathing life forms. In conclusion, many aspects must be taken into count when arguing such a broad question.
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reginerivero
 
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Mon 14 Nov, 2016 11:46 pm
@TuringEquivalent,
One might have difficulty to answer the question, “Why does the universe exist?” since there is no definite answer. However, many ideas, beliefs, theories and teachings about the origin of the universe have been put upon us. It has either existed eternally with no beginning or end, or it was created at some point in time. The question, “why is there a universe at all?” is answered differently depending on one’s perspective. This is because people believe in either an unknown cause for this or a religious or scientific point of view. For example, Christians believe that God, a supreme being, created the world. The bible can be somewhat of evidence for Christians to believe that God exists. Whereas, a scientist believes that the world was created by the big bang theory where all the mass in the universe was compressed into a single point of infinite density, smaller than a single atom. Then in a cosmic explosion, the universe came into being. However, people such as atheists, consider that there does not have to be a reason for things existing, nor is there any need for supernatural beings of any kind, let alone God. Furthermore, space, matter, energy and forces behave the way they do on their own. Secondly, why does our particular universe exist? Many of us ponder the idea because humans are curious beings, we are constantly searching for knowledge that can answer the unsolvable questions of the world and life. In conclusion, all possible physical worlds can exist. We just see a little tiny part of reality that's described by the laws of quantum field theory. Humans are only familiar with what they have been introduced to. Therefore, that is why our particular universe exists.
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lucasgb
 
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Mon 14 Nov, 2016 11:55 pm
@TuringEquivalent,
Addressing the second question first, I think that calling it "our particular universe" is not really reasonable at all. If we consider that our universe is infinite and simultaneously ever-expanding, that proposes there could be an infinite amount of logical possibilities that currently exist and will even come to exist. Infinity itself by definition is endless and immeasurable. Considering this, we need not consider universes 'other than our own.' If you are arguing for finite regression while proposing multiple infinities, you are contradicting yourself. Infinity is a concept, and not something that can be quantified. When it comes to our reality consisting of (or existing in) more than 4 dimensions, we have no certain proof this could be possible except that infinity could potentially justify the possibility.

With that being said, I think that infinity might then answer the first question. If we consider infinity as a fact, I do not believe that there could be any way for our reality to not exist. However, our knowledge is limited by the extent of our spatial perception. Since a fact cannot be truly justified by any theory, I think infinity has the most reason for explanation in this debate.
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sab1234
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 12:01 am
@TuringEquivalent,
Religiously speaking, I feel and agree that the universe came into existence because of God. Although one may argue who created God? The answer to that is simple: no one or nothing because he is and will always be. Since the beginning of time, nothing existed except for God therefore he is the one who attains the power to create everything (in which he did). Through this us, humans and God himself attain purpose in the world: the purpose for us humans to life a meaningful life and for God to watch over is. It is only logical that everything surrounding us and what we perceive was made by a supreme/higher being. Additionally, religion and science can meet at the point of curiosity when questioning that ‘’What if the big bang occurred because God allowed or wanted it to occur?’’ This can prove that both religion and science are correct when it comes to their studies, it’s just that God was in charge of the big bang. If God is and will always be this illustrates that he existed before this scientific theory.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 04:14 am
This question makes me always think of a tautology. Why does existence exist ? Stupid anoying question sprung from the missconception nothingness could be an alternative. It cannot !
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 04:22 am
@sab1234,
The fault in your argument is as follows:

If a God or whatever else was the root of all nature then necessarily such being would not have free will. While the cause of everything timely speaking such being would be powerless to change one dot on anything. Starting with himself and with everything that followed. Needless to say such being would be indistinguishable from the natural world.

To put it in plain simple English Nature can't change its nature. Its a contradiction in terms.
adrianiraheta1
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 05:56 am
@TuringEquivalent,
Philosophers through the ages have argued two ways to observe the universe: reason and physical experience. Through these two methods of deducing the bature of the universe, many conclusions have been drawn which have taken philosophy to new places. However, of all things wehave discovered, rationally or empirically, the only thing we are truly able to confirm is the existence of our selves. For all I know, the universe colud be my mind, and I am experiencing everything in a dream. The universe could also be someone elses mind- I am not of any higher state of being to decide this.
From every concept of what the universe is, we get to the question of why the universe exists. This question often leads to many logical contradictions, and is difficult to make sense of. After all, why should there be something instead of nothing? If there is anything absolute about this discussion, it is that, no matter what stance we take, we are currently unequipped to solve the question.
We draw our conclusions regarding why the universe exists and why it is the way it is from two sources. First we reason and derive the deepest conclusions we can imagine about our universe. Then, when we have failed to fully solve the question, we extrapolate from our experience and explanations for why the universe is. For a person of faith, this could mean that God is the underlying force in the universe, who set existence in motion and needed no cause. For an atheistic scientist, the conclusion to this question will be revealed by scientific discovery.
We may never know why the universe exists or why it exists how it does. However, until we find a logical proposition which can end this discussion, it is permissible for every person the hold their own beliefs on these questions.
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Leadfoot
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 06:12 am
I think the bots have taken over the universe...
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ryancrabe
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 07:50 am
@TuringEquivalent,
As we know, before the big bang there was nothing in existence; we essentially came from a combination of something and nothing, and this has raised the "ultimate why" question because how can we answer that question? Despite the complexity of this question, there are many different opinions on why there is a universe at all. I think a majority of people would say that we/the universe exists simply because God wanted it to; that "God + nothing = World," but the main problem with this is we can raise another question: Why does God exist? Well, to answer that question is that we could say that God is not contingent on anything because as we know, EVERYTHING is contingent on something else. The plain improbability of ourselves existing is unbelievably contingent because of other factors (like our mom and dad meeting), so the fact that we even exist in this world despite all the other outcomes is really mindblowing when you think about it. So if everything is contingent and dependant on something else, then there has to be something that’s NOT contingent on anything else, and God is the one thing that isn’t contingent. Now if you don’t believe in God, then that’s okay too because this principle of unreason or contingency would still apply because God can be replaced by “something”. This “something” isn’t contingent on anything, and it brought our universe into existence from sheer nothingness.


I believe the whole topic of contingency is the explaination to why our particular universe is the way it is, because all our choices impact the outcome of something/someone else, so if we do have free will to make choices then surely whatever we choose will change the outcome of our particular universe. If that’s the case then there must be an infinite number of universes.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 08:37 am
@ryancrabe,
oh dear... you drinking Lawrence Krauss bullshit...oh about you follow the mathematical model Hawking's is developing where the big bang never reaches the point of zero space and zero time eh ? He is rounding up some math on the issue precisely to avoid the OBVIOUS nonsense that the Universe come out of nothingness. The only RATIONAL viable model for the Universe has to be cyclic. In fact if seen from a timeless perspective were past present and future coexist there is no expansion into nothingness whatsoever. As a metaphorical example we don't say a movie grows while watching it just because we didn't got to the end of it yet. We know the all set of pictures is coexistent although it cannot be rolled out all at the same time. It has an order by which the pictures unfold. Such ordering is the LOGOS of Reality. I think the same idea is valid about our Universe. It doesn't grow on nothingness as time passes but rather spacetime encompasses all that was, is, and will be.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2016 10:14 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
I agree that nature can't change its nature, but man has great impact on our planet. I believe global warming is one.
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catbeasy
 
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Mon 21 Nov, 2016 06:00 pm
@Michael Wingrove,
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Either way both approaches prove that we must exist therefore this question cannot remained unanswered.

It will remain unanswered (unequivocally) whilst we still posses this human form..

While it is a necessary question to ponder for all students, if you are honest, there will come a point where you will simply say: I don't know, probably will never know in this form. And maybe never at all..
north
 
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Sat 26 Nov, 2016 12:42 am
@catbeasy,
catbeasy wrote:

Quote:
Either way both approaches prove that we must exist therefore this question cannot remained unanswered.

It will remain unanswered (unequivocally) whilst we still posses this human form..

While it is a necessary question to ponder for all students, if you are honest, there will come a point where you will simply say: I don't know, probably will never know in this form. And maybe never at all..


think of it this way , would " nothing " allow the question ?

NOT
catbeasy
 
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Sun 27 Nov, 2016 12:59 pm
@north,
ya lost me..
north
 
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Sun 27 Nov, 2016 11:32 pm
@catbeasy,
catbeasy wrote:

ya lost me..


Why ?

If the Universe did not exist , hence neither would we .
catbeasy
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2016 10:07 am
@north,
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If the Universe did not exist , hence neither would we .

If you mean "we" as in the form we currently occupy, agreed.
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Justin4truth
 
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Tue 29 Nov, 2016 05:13 am
@TuringEquivalent,
An interesting aspect of this question is that it breaks into parts: Why is there being at all? Given there is being why is it in the form of a universe of any kind - why does it have space and time and seemingly but not actually - things. And then finally why "this" particular universe?

If we define the term "mystery" to be a question the answer to which can be shown to be unattainable on principle then all of these questions are mysteries. However, that does not quite do it for there is the "just" word used for example in the phrase "It just is" and how it plays against the connotations of the word "mystery".

So there is one more question: Why is it that this "mystery" is so interesting to humans. We have creation myths in all the religions and even in science you have people preaching cosmology as if they were some kind of mesmerizing priests. Instead of starting with vectors and simple kinematics they "preach" the latest in cosmological theories -ooo! ahhh!-- to people who don't know what a simple function even is. They go for that ooo! Ahhh! and not understanding. They say it is important to let the layman know about science but that is disingenuous because if you look at the shows they are crafted to inspire not teach - hear the origins of the word "inspire" - it has the word spiritus at its base. They inspire that sense of "awe" that is related in a way to the notion of "mysterious" and in a sense antithetical to the letdown "It just is".

To this question I think there is an answer. This question is not a mystery. Part of it we don't know yet but we can guess.

For some reason that we do not know yet we seem to be conscious of our surroundings and make decisions about how to act in them. And our actions affect our survival probabilities. So we need two ontic - onotological capabilities. The first is to form objective models of the things around us and their ability to act upon us and our ability to act upon them and navigate our way through them in a way that skews our survival probabilities in our favor. This constitutes the "fitness" that they mention in evolution theory. Largely logic looms here. And rational choice.

But what motivates that choice. What makes us want to survive? Why not use that same logic to commit suicide? In fact why do we sometimes commit suicide at all? The answer is a second ontic - ontological capability namely our desire to be. Here our sexuality and its ability to reward is tied into our survival instinct. Condemned to death one is flooded with hormones that motivate the actions we might attempt in order to escape. Thoughts to escape are completely natural. People breaking into death row so they too can be executed are very rare. Why? Because we want to be.

Now that second feature of our ontological nature, the desire to be, can be driven into a state of total fulfillment of the survival instinct by a total realization at the fact of ones being. The fulfillment of the survival instinct is the fact of being. The desire to be is fulfilled by the fact of our being. But to realize that fact one must understand being in a way that is different from "just" that cause and effect stuff. Being can be experienced as ecstasy or the more mild "urge" to contemplate ones existence by turning on the Carl Sagan Mass and contemplate our existence by examining cosmology and becoming "amazed".

Its a fetish and it is paradoxical that those cosmos shows are actually a species of religious fetish. Either way, an experience of the contemplation of our existence is rewarded in our brain. That is why questions like this - ultimate creation mythology in religious or secular form - have their captivation. For the fact that the mystery of being is experienced as more that "just the fact that it is" is explainable by assuming the organism that we are needs to be made to want to be to survive better and hence the ontology of onto-religious contemplation like that popularized by Carl Sagan or the Sistine chapel as well as that "just the fact that it is" - the objective viewpoint that allows us to project being into things by finding the edges in the stability that is and manipulate them must both be present in optimal proportion.

The tension between these strains underlies a lot of our culture and even our ethics. This post can be seen as an attempt to mesmerize by contemplation of creation mythology that goes beyond the mere fact that "it just is" and releases those chemicals - whatever they are that cause the distinction between being amazed and being bored.

Why ask "Why is it that we are?" Because you can become aware in a fetishistic sense of your being - experience it more closely become amazed and then rewarded like a mouse by our brains. To emphasize - it is not to answer the question for it is in fact a mystery which is a question we can know we cannot know the answer to. So why ask? Fetish.

Now the truth is? Well....actually....the truth is... the fact of the matter so to speak.....It IS amazing. Those that don't see that it is amazing are actually missing the truth. You can take that to the bank but the bankers won't deposit it. La. Smile Wink
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 29 Nov, 2016 05:52 am
@Justin4truth,
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We have creation myths in all the religions and even in science you have people preaching cosmology as if they were some kind of mesmerizing priests.

You've been watching Neil deGrasse Tyson again haven't you. Or maybe it was Carl Sagan :-)
 

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