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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2012 10:12 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
Bill (can you see me?): 'twas you who first claimed on these pages that those against Zimmerman's side of things were liberal and Nazis. I gave you several chances to revise those remarks, withdraw them, apologize for the smear and move on. You never did.
Turns out you were wrong.
Apparently, and again it was you who brought this to our attention, persons who consider themselves Nazis and Nationist Socialists, whatever that is, are on the same side as you.
They and you back Zimmerman.
LET THE RECORD SHOW: that I support Zimmy's conspicuous innocence
and that I resolutely oppose n denounce ALL socialists, including the National ones.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2012 10:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Like, ... who cares.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 5 May, 2012 11:06 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:
Quote:
David:
Zimmerman was in fear of his life while he was STILL in his truck.

He got out of the truck.

David wrote:
Quote:
If so, he must have been brave.


No, as you well know, Councillor,
I suspect that u mean Counsellor. "Councillor" means something else.



Joe Nation wrote:
the prosecutor will say it shows that he was not, in fact, in fear of his life.
So much for the "I took the action out of fear" defense. poof.
Well, I just took Joe Nation's word for it. He's never steered me rong b4.
He wrote it very clearly. I will not HAVE U, impugning Joe 's veracity! (some nerve!)






Joe Nation wrote:
He had no reason to get out of the truck.
Zimmy was motivated to make of himself an obstacle to burglary in the area.
He chose to apply his time to looking around his naborhood
and to use his natural freedom of speech to make life unpleasant for burglars,
of whom he thawt Mr. T was one. That is perfectly legal.





Joe Nation wrote:
He had already called in his report. If his story about Martin circling his truck is true, he would have been easily able to identify Martin to police as the person he suspected as being unlawfully on the property, had he waited for police to arrive.
Well, he was STILL perfectly able to do that when thay arrived.
Chances r that he probably DID that,
pointing downward, when thay got there.





Joe Nation wrote:
There was no urgency, he hadn't reported that he had witnessed Martin doing anything more than walking around looking at the buildings. That could be "casing the joint" or it could be, since in every complex I've ever been to, all the buildings look alike, an attempt to find his father's apartment.
OK. What is your point ??




Joe Nation wrote:
David, you have an odd method of discerning who is defending what.
Good and evil?? pphhpptt.
Yeah, the evil one
was the one that was busy pounding Zimmy 's brain against the sidewalk, without permission.





Joe Nation wrote:
Where is your defense of Martin's right to be where he was that night
and his right to walk to his father's house without being accosted.
No one has that right.
Its part of living in a free country.
There is a chance that someone might speak to u. It coud happen.





Joe Nation wrote:
You have that right, what about the rest of us?
I have held a variety of positions, public n private, in my life,
but I never had IMMUNITY from being spoken to.
Of course, I coud brush people off, if I wanted to
(but not to pound their respective brains against the street).




Joe Nation wrote:
Are we all to be subjected to the Zimmerman's of the world and their suspicions?
Yes.





Joe Nation wrote:
You have this one backwards, yes, this was a contest of power between an innocent passerby
and an armed predator (or if not, predator, a self-appointed judge and jury) and the innocent victim now lies dead.
His crime began when he started pounding Zimmy 's brain againt the cement.
I think that is against the law in Florida (tho I am not admitted to practice there).







Joe Nation wrote:
We are all going to learn much more about this case before it's over,
if I am wrong about where I presently stand, I will be the first to admit it and say so here on these pages.
I hope you and (if he ever sees this) BillRM will pledge to do the same.
OK



Joe Nation wrote:
Joe(when I say "Liberty and Justice for All, I mean it.)Nation
Zimmy vindicated HIS right to justice
and to liberty from having his head pounded, when he shot Mr. T.





David
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 06:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David what is interesting is in high profile cases such as this one it look like the state can no longer count on the power of financial ruin by just bringing charges thanks to the internet.

In fact it might be a good idea now that the right of self defense in under such attacks that after the Zimmerman case is over a standing defense fund should be established for all others who are charge with the "crime" of self defense.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 08:15 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
...now that the right of self defense in under such attacks...
http://www.fishink.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/cartoon-stand-your-ground-sd.jpg
parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 08:38 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

The actual law. Wow.. it looks a lot like what I posted earlier and says nothing about "intentional". You are free to argue it's exactly what you posted earlier but then that's just you being your usual disingenuous self.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 08:40 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I suspect that u mean Counsellor. "Councillor" means something else.

Are you saying Joe has to use the correct spellings for all the words he uses? I think we should call you OhtheIRONYDavid.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 09:11 am
Joe Nation wrote:
[quote]Where is your defense of Martin's right to be where he was that night
and his right to walk to his father's house without being accosted?[/quote]
David wrote:
[quote]No one has that right.
Its part of living in a free country.
There is a chance that someone might speak to u. It coud happen.[/quote]

Daevead: Wud u pliz luk at whut u rote?
You just said that in a free country no one has the right to be where they are. Some conservative you are, now you have abandoned one of conservatism's cardinal principles, to wit: the right to be left alone.

You are arguing that in a free country, no one has the right to be free.

Are you, and I say this in the kindest way possible, broadcasting to us from Bizarro World?

What you are arguing is, that as long as you personally are allowed whatever freedoms you deem necessary for yourself, the rights of all other persons are suspect. Are you saying if I decided that I was the new volunteer neighborhood watch commander in your neighborhood, you would subject yourself willingly to my stopping and interrogating you as to your business and purpose when passing by? Or it that freedom solely allowed for you?

If so, you do not live in any part of America which I am either familiar with nor any place any where that I would wish to visit.

Joe(You're not a Conservative, you're an Orwellian.)Nation

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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 09:20 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

Quote:
(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

The actual law. Wow.. it looks a lot like what I posted earlier and says nothing about "intentional". You are free to argue it's exactly what you posted earlier but then that's just you being your usual disingenuous self.


Intentional is not the same as premeditated. You remain confused ... in your usual self-serving and deceptive way..

We were discussing the difference between manslaughter and second degree murder. Both involve the death of another person. Generally manslaughter involves unintended killing due to some wrongful action or failure to act. The event becomes murder if it involves the intent to kill or (in this case) when it involves "an act imminently dangerous to another and envincing a depraved mind regardless of human life ..." . I'll let you ponder the distinction there. I'm confident that in this or any event you will find the ratioanlization you seek. However, my opinion of your grasping petty pedantry remains intact.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 09:21 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I suspect that u mean Counsellor. "Councillor" means something else.


Get serious, Om. It's cownsalur.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 10:58 am
@georgeob1,
Except the law says nothing about "intentional" killing. It only says the act is "imminently dangerous" and "a depraved mind regardless of human life" There is no requirement of "intent to kill" under Florida law for 2nd degree murder. Perhaps you are the one that needs to ponder distinctions.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 11:05 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Quote:
...now that the right of self defense in under such attacks...
http://www.fishink.us/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/cartoon-stand-your-ground-sd.jpg
Self defense is an inalienable right and an absolute right.





David
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 11:12 am
@parados,
Quote:
Perhaps you are the one that needs to ponder distinctions.


That's hilarious, Parados.

I wonder, might that suggestion also not apply to OmSig.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 11:26 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
David what is interesting is in high profile cases such as this one it look like the state can no longer count on the power of financial ruin by just bringing charges thanks to the internet.

In fact it might be a good idea now that the right of self defense in under such attacks that after the Zimmerman case is over a standing defense fund should be established for all others who are charge with the "crime" of self defense.
That 's a good idea.
I understand that counsel for Zimmy is doing it pro bono.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 11:45 am
@parados,
DAVID wrote:
I suspect that u mean Counsellor. "Councillor" means something else.
parados wrote:
Are you saying Joe has to use the correct spellings for all the words he uses?
I think we should call you OhtheIRONYDavid.
IF he wants to promote me to the NY City Council,
then lemme tell him that I am too lazy to put in the time. Forget it.

U know what 'd be a gross & alarming nightmare??
It 'd be if I got appointed & ratified to the USSC.
I 'd HAVE TO take the job. I cud not reject it
out of American decency and love of FREEDOM.
That 'd be an unhappy personal sacrifice.
I don 't need to work and I don't wanna DO it.

(This is not to imply that I have any paranoid fears of getting put on the USSC.)

I think I can trust obama that far; he'd not betray me about that. I feel safe.




David
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 11:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U know what 'd be a gross & alarming nightmare??
It 'd be if I got appointed & ratified to the USSC.


Finally, you speak some truth, Om.

Are you feeling okay? What could possibly have come over you?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 11:55 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
U know what 'd be a gross & alarming nightmare??
It 'd be if I got appointed & ratified to the USSC.


Finally, you speak some truth, Om.
I 've ASKED u not
to agree with me about anything, J.
Its embarrassing.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 11:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The real issue, Om, is why, in this one instance, you have decided to speak the truth. That is so not you.

Are you dying, trying desperately to make amends?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 12:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I
Quote:
understand that counsel for Zimmy is doing it pro bono.


So far but with a large defense fund available I do not think he will not take a fee for his services and more important there are funds now to hired experts and investigators.

The Media for example is not likely to do any investigation into Trayvon background.

As Obama stated he now stand in for all sons of black parents growing up in a racist society.

Facts such as that Zimmerman is no more white then Obama and had even have a history of mounting a campaign for justice for a homeless black man over a white man with powerful connections.

But all the above ruin a good and simple story.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 6 May, 2012 12:38 pm
Interesting.
Still no defense of Martin's right to be where he was that night from the Conservatives in our midst.
They are defending the power of an unauthorized armed (also unauthorized) individual to interfere with the rightful and lawful passage of a citizen of this Republic from the entry point of the housing complex to his father's apartment.

Such odd Conservatism, but then so is the Patriot Act.

Joe(give us 200 words, please)Nation
 

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