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The politics of hoodie wearing

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 06:40 pm
@Rockhead,
That, by the way, seems to be why Trayvon had his hood up, too. It was raining.
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 06:59 pm
@sozobe,
Addendum -- at least that was what I read in several articles, but when I went to look that up I found some stuff that calls into question the cause-effect part of this. (As in, I won't go so far as to say that he only wore the hoodie up when it was raining.)

Obviously even if he had it up because he wanted to look cool and not just to keep the rain off of his neck, that's no reason to shoot him.

In looking that up though I found such a wide range of things -- I'm thinking of the Tyler Clementi case and how that was pretty quickly put into a pigeonhole that I don't think was really accurate, so I'm trying to just wait and see a bit, although the info so far seems pretty damning re: Zimmerman's actions.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 07:10 pm
@Lash,
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I talked about this event with a friend recently. He assumed the shooter was white. When I pointed out the shooter was of color - the tune changed considerably.

The shooter was white. He may have been Hispanic white as opposed to Germanic white but he was still white.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 08:16 pm
@boomerang,
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people respond to such things even if it isn't rational.


Is that not the real problem?

Or as Gilda Radnor said, If it's not one thing, it's another.

Prejudices and stereotypes are the real problem. Where's the message that that's not ok?

We spend so much time discussing irrelevant crap and not enough the real issues.

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IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 08:19 pm
@Foofie,
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all reflect an image that scares more than one person in society.


The fact that people are scared of an image is the problem. Too much emotional reaction and the justification comes later.

This fear you talk about is real, but wrong. People need to be told that, instead most of what we see is reinforcement of those fears.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 08:21 pm
@FreeDuck,
That's because you are able to think. Not enough of that going around.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 08:21 pm
@IRFRANK,
Fear, you say. How about an increased sense of waryness? There are all kinds of aids we use in evaluation situations, and this is only one.
IRFRANK
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 08:31 pm
@roger,
If it's rational, that's fine and part of awareness.

If it's irrational and drives one to the point of firing a gun, it's not ok.

Being responsible means analyzing all the inputs accurately and responding in a reasonable manner.

Making judgements on others based upon prejudices leads to poor , inaccurate judgement.

It's a process we all go through constantly and should be held accountable, especially with such tragic outcomes.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 08:38 pm
@IRFRANK,
Well, yes. We have to be accountable for our judgements. In the instance we are all thinking of, if judgement was exercised at all, it was terrible.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 08:51 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
The only problem with all of that is that the hoodie isn't really thugwear, IMO. It's youthwear. The only thing the hoodie said about this kid is just that, that he was a kid. I don't know what reaction is appropriate for someone who sees a young person wearing a hoodie in the rain, but I'm guessing following him and confronting him isn't one of them.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 06:36 am
@parados,
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I talked about this event with a friend recently. He assumed the shooter was white.
When I pointed out the shooter was of color - the tune changed considerably.
parados wrote:
The shooter was white. He may have been Hispanic white
as opposed to Germanic white but he was still white.
THAT is the reason that this case got so much attention.
If 2 blacks got into a fight and 1 survived,
that 'd not get nearly as much attention; maybe none.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 07:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The odd thing about this case is that it is getting so much attention when the shooter is white and the victim black. Normally it would not be mentioned at all.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 09:43 am
I think we could all use a laugh. I couldn't figure out how to embed the video from comedy central and couldn't find it on youtube, but here's the link.

The Daily Show -- Hoodie Threat



ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 10:32 am
@FreeDuck,
Thank you for that.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 10:37 am
@ossobuco,
when I wear a hoodie and sunglasses I kinda lokk like that picture of the Unabomber. That gets attention in Chatanooga
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 01:20 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
The odd thing about this case is that it is getting so much
attention when the shooter is white and the victim black. Normally
it would not be mentioned at all.
Its like man bites dog.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 03:18 pm
@parados,
He wasn't white. I wonder what Hispanic people would say about your assignation.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 03:24 pm
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/135058/does_it_matter_whether_trayvon

I think the bottom line is that all kids wear the hoodie. I think - based on Zimmerman's words to the 911 operator - that if Trayvon had been white, he wouldn't have been "suspicious." So, racism at work in the mind of one guy with a weird cop obsession. The 911 operator told him to stop following the kid. He didn't. Zimmerman is clearly wrong in a few different ways. I just hope people may learn from what happened.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 03:27 pm
@Lash,
The only reason I make this point is because Zimmerman's appearance is that of a man of color - and he must have felt the sting of racial discrimination in his own life. This fact emphasizes, to me, the wrong-headed thinking process of Zimmerman.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 04:00 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

He wasn't white. I wonder what Hispanic people would say about your assignation.

According to US census most Hispanics are white.

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As of 2010, 50.5 million or 16.3% of Americans were ethnically Hispanic or Latino.[15] Of those, 26.7 million or 53% were White.
 

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