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The politics of hoodie wearing

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:29 am
@MontereyJack,
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And as the law is playing out in actual effect, if someone says they thought they could be subject to deadly force, they get off You don't have to actually prove anything, it's purely your state of mind.
Letting the emotional response of one citizen decide who has wronged the collective and this should be subject to sanctions by the state is a bit of barbarity that we first saw a few decades ago in sex law when we decided that one woman's emotions could define rape. The cancer is spreading rapidly.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:29 am
The thing is, Hawkeye, Trayvon, not having a gun, was perfectly justified in bashing Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk, assuming, and it's a huge assumption, that that happened and it's anything like the full story of what happened, because he saw a perfectly justified threat against his own life in Zimmerman's actions. Under Florida law, he had a total unquestionable right to bash Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:32 am

Years ago, incidental to my law practice,
I commonly n frequently hired private investigators to watch and to follow people around.
Thay were good at it. It never occurred to me that there was anything rong in that.
Sometimes, the private I 's testified in court regarding their findings.
No one objected to any violation of law nor of ethics from this.

Other lawyers did the same thing; it was not unusual.
I don 't recall that there was ever any controversy about it.





David
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:36 am
The whole point of hiring them was that they not be noticed and not confront the person they were following, so they could gather evidence without alerting whoever they were tailing. That's the exact opposite of what Zimmerman did. Bad analogy, as usual, David.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:38 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

The thing is, Hawkeye, Trayvon, not having a gun, was perfectly justified in bashing Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk, assuming, and it's a huge assumption, that that happened and it's anything like the full story of what happened, because he saw a perfectly justified threat against his own life in Zimmerman's actions. Under Florida law, he had a total unquestionable right to bash Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk.


So according to you anytime someone with a gun confronts me I have a free ticket to take their life?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:42 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Other lawyers did the same thing; it was not unusual.
I don 't recall that there was ever any controversy about it


you might have noticed over the years that many Americans have decided that they think that they have the right to regulate their environment, that they have the right to dictate to others the terms of any and all interactions. I know that you are the anti-socialist but come on now, even you must know that we are too interconnected for this to make a lick of sense.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:43 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The thing is, Hawkeye, Trayvon, not having a gun, was perfectly justified in bashing Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk, assuming, and it's a huge assumption, that that happened and it's anything like the full story of what happened, because he saw a perfectly justified threat against his own life in Zimmerman's actions. Under Florida law, he had a total unquestionable right to bash Zimmerman's head on the sidewalk.
WhatayaMEAN "unquestionable" ??????
I have already questioned it; that proves that it IS questionable.

The statute says "reasonable". If people like JTT or like Fido
wonder the streets of Florida randomly knocking off pedestrians,
because of whatever nightmares possess their respective brains,
thay cannot hide behind this statute, because
it says: "reasonable".



As a true liberal, u r trying to misrepresent and to distort
the statute in question, which is a very nice statute.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 12:59 am
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For example, twice as many blacks and Hispanics as whites say race played a major role in the shooting death of Trayvon (73 to 36 percent). The Monitor/TIPP poll of 906 adults taken from March 30 to April 5 finds other disparities as well.
• Younger respondents are more likely to see race as playing a major role in the case than those of middle age (66 to 43 percent).
• Women more so than men (48 to 39 percent).
• Those of modest income more than the wealthy (51 to 37 percent).
• Democrats much more so than Republicans (64 to 32 percent)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46981884/ns/us_news-christian_science_monitor/#.T3_lLJl2Sf4

So much for the assertion from Snood that anyone who does not agree that this is all about race is by definition a defective....
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 01:01 am
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

No indeed, it would not, because the headline "black guy arrested for killing innocent neighbor hood watch guy", though it would play well for the NRA, doesn't touch anyone's injustice nerve the way this story has. Just for fun, google "unarmed man shot" and let me know how long it takes you to get to a white guy.


That's pretty cynical.

An innocent man trying to keep his neighborhood safe gets beaten to death and that doesn't touch your injustice nerve? Your reaction would be "Well the NRA will make a bigg deal out of this now!"?

What is your google game supposed to teach me?

Out of curiosity I did as you suggested and here's what I found

First hit: FL police shoot unarmed black man in his car

http://newsone.com/1973695/unarmed-man-shot-by-police-while-napping-in-his-car/

Second hit: British police shoot an unarmed white man sitting in his car.
http://wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/shoo-m10.shtml

Third hit: Oakland police shoot and kill an unarmed black man at a BART station

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3d2_1231077250

Fourth hit: NY police shoot and kill an unarmed balck man
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8529162

Fifth hit California police shoot and kill an unarmed white man
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/24/michael-lee-nida-killed-unarmed-man-_n_1029053.html

Sixth hit: Pakistani Rangers shoot and kill an unarmed (white?) man at security checkpoint
http://www.aljazeera.com/video/asia/2011/06/201169185514224350.html

Seventh hit: A black man in Arizona shoots and kill an unarmed white man and claims self defense. Interestingly enough, Arizona has a Stand Your Ground law like Florida's and the shooter has not been arrested or charged.



Eighth and final hit first page hit: A policeman who shot and killed an unarmed black man in Portland is reinstated by arbitrator after Grand Jury clears him of any wrongdoing.
http://www.kptv.com/story/17299062/arb

As you can see, it didn't take long at all to get to several white guys.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 01:03 am
You don't count on whether or not it's questionable, David. Only the Florida justice system does,and they say they can't get convictions even for gang war participants and drug dealers who evoke it. And I notice you accept everything Zimmerman says, full of holes, apparent either misstatements of fact or outright lies, and chanageable as it is, as something akin to holy writ.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 01:05 am
@hawkeye10,
The RACE depends on the individual that is beating your head against the sidewalk.





David
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 01:12 am
It was Trayvon, not Zimmerman, who was crying for help, silenced by a gunshot. He was crying out in well-founded fear of the use of deadly force against him. It was. Under the Stand Your Ground law, he was legally permitted to use any needed force against his assailant, and his judgment cannot be legally questioned.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 01:13 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

You don't count on whether or not it's questionable, David. Only the Florida justice system does,and they say they can't get convictions even for gang war participants and drug dealers who evoke it. And I notice you accept everything Zimmerman says, full of holes, apparent either misstatements of fact or outright lies, and chanageable as it is, as something akin to holy writ.
HIS position seems plausible.
The opposite position does not.





David
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 01:46 am
On the contrary, David. Trayvon's position, though he was unfortunately slaughtered and is not here to present it, seems far more plausible. You're so blinded by kneejerk defense of willy-nilly vigilante shooting that you're apparently incapable of even conceiving that it resulted in somebody innocent being killed. It did. It's a sickeningly bad law, and with luck it looks like there's enough of a backlash that maybe we can finally get some sensible gun law again. And the light is beginning to shine on the murky doings of the American Legislative Exchange Council, who are writing the templates for these laws, as well as other profoundly troubling unAmerican legislation, bankrolled by large corporations. CocaCola and Pepsi, some of their largest contributors, have pulled out of ALEC due to the backlash against them. May that be the start of something better for America.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 02:23 am
@MontereyJack,
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It was Trayvon, not Zimmerman, who was crying for help
says who? Last I heard the owner of the voice had not been identified.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 02:23 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
On the contrary, David. Trayvon's position, though he was unfortunately slaughtered and is not here to present it, seems far more plausible. You're so blinded by kneejerk defense of willy-nilly vigilante shooting that you're apparently incapable of even conceiving that it resulted in somebody innocent being killed. It did.
No. I can conceive of him being innocent UNTIL
he began to slam Mr. Z's head on the sidewalk.



MontereyJack wrote:
It's a sickeningly bad law, and with luck it looks like there's enough of a backlash that maybe
we can finally get some sensible gun law again.
I believe that the forces of GOOD can and probably WILL hold u off. I think it looks good.
We have never lost a good gun freedom law yet, since 1986.
R u a satanist ?
The citizens know that thay need the safety of self defense,
without getting their life savings wiped out from defensive lawyers' fees.





David

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snood
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 07:22 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

On the contrary, David. Trayvon's position, though he was unfortunately slaughtered and is not here to present it, seems far more plausible. You're so blinded by kneejerk defense of willy-nilly vigilante shooting that you're apparently incapable of even conceiving that it resulted in somebody innocent being killed. It did. It's a sickeningly bad law, and with luck it looks like there's enough of a backlash that maybe we can finally get some sensible gun law again. And the light is beginning to shine on the murky doings of the American Legislative Exchange Council, who are writing the templates for these laws, as well as other profoundly troubling unAmerican legislation, bankrolled by large corporations. CocaCola and Pepsi, some of their largest contributors, have pulled out of ALEC due to the backlash against them. May that be the start of something better for America.


Amen
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 09:17 am
NBC Cans Producer For Airing Zimmerman 911 Call Edited To Sound More Racially Motivated

"...After critics blasted the segment as misleading, NBC News launched an internal investigation into how the recording was edited, and concluded on April 3 that there had been a mistake.

“During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret,” NBC News said in a statement. “We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.”

The unnamed producer, who has been described as experienced, was fired on Thursday. His dismissal was first reported Friday evening by The New York Times, which cited two people familiar with the matter..."

http://bossip.com/569352/nbc-cans-producer-for-airing-zimmerman-911-call30346/
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 09:47 am
@MontereyJack,

Quote:
It was Trayvon, not Zimmerman, who was crying for help
Hawkeye says
Quote:
says who? Last I heard the owner of the voice had not been identified.

Two people were involved in the slaying. It wasn't Zimmerman. Who does that leave? Beside that, which even someone of your mental capacity should be able to figure out, Trayvon's parents identified the voice pleading for help as Trayvon's.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 7 Apr, 2012 09:48 am
OmSigDavid asks:
Quote:
R u a satanist ?


No, David, I'm not. But if I believed in him, I'd think you were one of his most trusted disciples. Here's another sacrifice to him, thanks to you and your multiple guns for everybody buddies.

Quote:
Cops: Dad dies after shielding son, 8, from barrage of bulletsBy Samantha Tata, NBC Los Angeles

Police are asking the public to help identify suspects involved in an Inglewood shooting that left a 28-year-old father dead after he shielded his 8-year-old son from the barrage of bullets.

Fredrick Martin and his son, Tre, were in front of their garage Tuesday night when gunfire broke out, police said.


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When he heard the shots, the man pushed his son to the ground and covered him with his body. Martin suffered gunshot wounds to his abdomen and upper torso and later died at the hospital.

'Ultimate sacrifice'
"The investigation is not going well," Lt. James Madia with Inglewood police said, adding that detectives are working on a few conflicting descriptions of the possible suspects and their cars.

Advertise | AdChoicesMartin’s son, who shared a home with his father, mother and grandmother, suffered only a minor graze wound, Madia said.

Martin's wife Amanda is five months pregnant, according to a family friend.

About two dozen friends and family mourned Martin near his home Friday night.

"We know that there was an ultimate sacrifice made on the other night," one said during a prayer.


Way to go, David. How many more people will die because of your gun obsession? Satanist is definitely appropriate.
 

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