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9O Year Old Defends His Home & Cars

 
 
Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2012 07:36 pm

90-year-old Jay Leone was at home in Greenbrae, Calif.
when an armed man broke into his house and held a gun to his head.
The criminal told Leone that there was a “contract out” on him and
further explained that this was due to Leone being a collector of classic cars.
As the criminal led Leone around the home at gunpoint, Leone told the gunman
that he needed to use the restroom, which, after some convincing,
the criminal allowed him to do. Once inside the bathroom, Leone
retrieved a .38-caliber revolver he keeps hidden there and
exchanged fire with the robber. During the gunfight Leone was
struck once in the face while the burglar was hit three times in the abdomen.
The altercation eventually devolved into a physical struggle, in which
the criminal gained the upper hand, grabbed Leone’s revolver
and tried to shoot him with it. The revolver was empty from the gunfight,
prompting the wounded criminal to flee.

Leone’s attacker was later captured while attempting to receive
treatment for his wounds. Leone has recovered from the wound to
his face and was well enough to testify against his assailant a few weeks later.
(The San Jose Mercury News, San Jose, Calif. 02/22/12)

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 27 Feb, 2012 07:41 pm

The morals of the story R:

1. Keep your guns well within reach, people.

2. Use sufficient defensive gunnery power.
This fellow's little .38 simply did not get the job done, even with 3 hits.

Think .44 special or .45 caliber, with hollowpointed slugs for proper STOPPING POWER !
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Feb, 2012 08:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
tasers work much better than any gun. While the actor is incapacitated, you cuff his hand to his ankle. Then call 911.

Youre entirely too neanderthal David. Im sorry, I have valuable collections of pottery that could get all blood spattered and even broken by stray bullets. NOT TO MENTION STRAY BULLETS winging and zinging all around the rooms in the heat of battle. They make 3 shot tasers nowadays and Im sure you can get one if you can buy a gun.

Thats all Im going to say about that.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 28 Feb, 2012 04:18 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
tasers work much better than any gun.
As a scientist or engineer [??] with a logical mind that must make stuff actually WORK,
I am taken aback by your assertion.





farmerman wrote:
While the actor is incapacitated,
by hysterical laffter??????

Do u need 2 electrodes to be successfully implanted to get a circuit??




farmerman wrote:
you cuff his hand to his ankle. Then call 911.
I have never owned (nor rented) handcuffs.




farmerman wrote:
Youre entirely too neanderthal David. Im sorry, I have valuable collections of pottery that could get all blood spattered and even broken by stray bullets. NOT TO MENTION STRAY BULLETS winging and zinging all around the rooms in the heat of battle.
so I guess u don't approve of submachineguns for home defense






farmerman wrote:
They make 3 shot tasers nowadays and Im sure you can get one if you can buy a gun.
Do thay come with instructions on how to convince him to stay still between shots ????



farmerman wrote:
Thats all Im going to say about that.
OK
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Feb, 2012 06:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
a gun wont necessarily drop you, but a taser will. You only need the shot hit you and you go down into a mass of wobbling jelly.AND , you are incapacitated by neural apasms for about 30 seconds, during which you can beat him, cuff im, or just get the hell away.
A gun is so damn messy and is so cave mannish. Your hollow points will be winging around the room or embedding into something (you hope).

About 15 years ago,SOme cops did a home defense workshop at the Philly State Police Barracks just before the PA Legislature did an about face and allowed guns as a right.

A taser is better than a shotgun because, it doesnt blow the house apart like a shotgun, but is 100% effective against the neural pathways of the body. It turns you into a writhiong mass of jelly and you drop your gun immediately.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Feb, 2012 06:22 pm
@farmerman,
What's the word on heavy clothing? Will it work through a duck barn coat, or something like that?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Feb, 2012 06:35 pm
@roger,
Its all a matter of evaluating the target. The face is a good target or the upper torso nless hes all covered up. The needles are like thise in a blood sugar test kit. (very short) They only need to prick the skin and deliver and instantaneous subcutaneous shot of high voltage low amps that send the nervouse system into ncontrollable spasms. and the hands open and the legs buckle and you go down. These things have been tested on Linebacker sized guys and they all dropped in a second or slightly more. You do need some training in charging and handling cause you can, if not carefurl, impale yourself and you go doen like a sack of rocks.
Guns will do the same , I knew a guy (A guy who carried his field gun in an open holster on his side. It was a .38 and he drew the thing and fired it into the side of hissown leg. (He was gonna shoot a porcupine that looked like it had snacked on his SUVs coolant line.

A dipshit. I carry an automatic into the field and have to go through the saftey, and slide cock to get it operable. Although I like the cylinder weapon becasuse it wont snag. IT CAN fire when you dont want if you have too heavy a trigger finger.

Still, tasers are the way to control an actor and not kill him. (I think that the thought of killing someone momentarily acts upon ones m,id and some restraint results. That leaves the assailant open to kill you. A taser, being (mostly) non lethal (There have been a few deaths due to induced V fibrillations), will be fired by most anyone without thinking twice. The need for a set of cuffs is optional but quite effective when the guy comes to with his arm hooked up to his ankle. Try to get away like that>
roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Feb, 2012 07:57 pm
@farmerman,
Then it sounds like the system might need some backup in any but the hottest climates.

On a pretty much unrelated subject, I get the feeling that much tasers are actually used more as punishment and a means of enforcing compliance that strictly self defense, and possibly just because they are considered nonlethal. Have you had any thoughts along these lines?

Not to derail any else's thread, of course.
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