Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 01:50 am
Electric field exists because of continous exchange of photons.....quark exchanges gluons contineously.....in nuclear force continous exchange of muons take place.....
---wat about gravity?...how does two masses interact?...
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jan, 2012 04:27 am
@Blackdranzer,
Curvature of space. See General Relativity.
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 02:02 am
@rosborne979,
See Big Bang or a Stretch of God's Imagination. Wink
In this forum. Smile
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 04:41 am
@voiceindarkness,
I've already seen it. It contains no information relevant to a scientific understanding of anything.
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 06:03 am
@Blackdranzer,
Blackdranzer wrote:

Electric field exists because of continous exchange of photons.....quark exchanges gluons contineously.....in nuclear force continous exchange of muons take place.....
---wat about gravity?...how does two masses interact?...
Just a guess, but of the forces there is not one called the nuclear force... There is the strong force, the weak force, electromagnetic force and gravity... Gravity supposedly involves the exchange of gravitons creating a large gravity wave, but my blind guess is that the highly discounted Ether which I expect are infinite neutral particle are excluded from matter which is all the time becoming more dense, and that the excluded neutral matter transmits the force at a distance as ether was once thought to do...

It is as if saying the speed of light in space, or a vacuum is faster, but that, if matter is excluded from the light bulb it is all the more certain that neutral matter would be theri exclusively which accounts for the increased speed... But; It has been years since I read physics, and I do not have the math back ground to really grasp much of what I have read...
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 02:59 pm
@Blackdranzer,
This is about as close as we got to answering this question:

http://able2know.org/topic/145670-1
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 11:03 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

I've already seen it. It contains no information relevant to a scientific understanding of anything.
You seen it with eyes closed then, Rolling Eyes

Did you consider this? Smile

This is the simple explanation taught by mainstream science concerning "particles" of energy.
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Atoms are particles of elements, substances that can not be broken down further. In examining atomic structure though, we have to clarify this statement. An atom cannot be broken down further without changing the chemical nature of the substance. For example, if you have 1 ton, 1 gram or 1 atom of oxygen, all of these units have the same properties. We can break down the atom of oxygen into smaller particles; however, when we do the atom looses its chemical properties. For example, if you have 100 watches, or one watch, they all behave like watches and tell time. You can dismantle one of the watches: take the back off, take the batteries out, peer inside and pull things out. However, now the watch no longer behaves like a watch. So what does an atom look like inside?


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Atoms are made up of 3 types of particles electrons, protons and neutrons. These particles have different properties. Electrons are tiny, very light particles that have a negative electrical charge (-). Protons are much larger and heavier than electrons and have the opposite charge, protons have a positive charge. Neutrons are large and heavy like protons; however neutrons have no electrical charge. Each atom is made up of a combination of these particles.


(Heavier- contains more energy)
These three energies are actually equal in energy. The negative energy appears week because it became stretched into the dark energy of the fabric of the darkness, by the expansion of the universe as it came into being. Where this energy is in contact with the neutral energy of an atom, it surrounds the atom and creates the energy cloud.
The pressure from the dark energy compresses the neutral energy around the nucleus, which in turn compresses the positive energy contained therein.
There is interaction between the positive and negative energies through the neutral energy, which both connects and separates the positive and negative energies.
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An atom made up of one proton and one electron, is called hydrogen (the abbreviation for hydrogen is H). The proton and electron stay together because just like two magnets, the opposite electrical charges attract each other.

This statement is false; this has nothing to do with electromagnetism, at this level. The force of the negative energy that make up the fabric of dark energy that fills the universe, pushing against a wall of neutral energy, creates the negative energy cloud surrounding the nucleus.
All of the pressure of this dark energy compresses the positive energy, like water pressure in an ocean of darkness, separated by a wall of neutral energy,

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What keeps the two from crashing into each other? The particles in an atom are not still. The electron is constantly spinning around the center of the atom (called the nucleus). The centrifugal force of the spinning electron keeps the two particles from coming into contact with each other much as the earth's rotation keeps it from plunging into the sun.

Wrong, centrifugal force has nothing to do with it. The wall of neutral energy that connects the negative to the positive also separates the two. It’s the sudden appearance of the neutral energy that created and separated the negative from the positive in the very first moment of creation.
There is absolutely no comparison between the affect of gravity, and centrifugal force on the earth’s rotation around the sun, and the structure of an atom.
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Keep in mind that atoms are extremely small. One hydrogen atom, for example, is approximately 5 x 10-8 mm in diameter. To put that in perspective, this dash - is approximately 1 mm in length, therefore it would take almost 20 million hydrogen atoms to make a line as long as the dash. In the sub-atomic world, things often behave a bit strangely. First of all, the electron actually spins very far from the nucleus. If we were to picture a hydrogen atom, so that the proton was ½ inch in diameter, the electron would actually be spinning approximately 0.5 km (or about a quarter of a mile) away from the nucleus. In other words, if the proton was ½ inch in diameter, the whole atom would be about the size of Giants Stadium.

You could change the size scale infinitely, what does that say about what fills the giant stadium? The negative and positive energies interact through this mass of neutral energy.
What is unique about our planet?, Our atmosphere, that separates the waters above from the waters beneath. And God called the firmament heaven. We share a consciousness of reality.
Our blood carries oxygen to our brains, starve the brain of oxygen and our consciousness leaves our bodies in near death experience. Our brain dies we leave our bodies and experience the dream that is heaven, or hell.
Our brains light up our minds to experience the dream of the physical through our six senses. Our subconscious minds share a subconscious mind within the atmosphere of reality? Within the arena of the neutral energy of the oxygen atoms?, a thought to ponder. Cool
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

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Another peculiarity of this tiny world is the particles themselves. Protons and neutrons behave like small particles, sort of like tiny billiard balls.

(Compressed energy)
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The electron however, has some of the properties of a wave. In other words, the electron is more similar to a beam of light than it is to a billiard ball. Thus, to represent it as a small particle spinning around a nucleus is slightly misleading.In actuality, the electron is a wave that surrounds the nucleus of an atom like a cloud.

(Totally misleading) What is viewed as an electron is the highest point of concentration of negative energy spinning around the nucleus, trying to be in the same place at the same time as the nucleus, which is not possible.
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In an electrically neutral atom, the positively charged protons are always balanced by an equal number of negatively charged electrons. As we have seen, hydrogen is the simplest atom with only one proton and one electron. Helium is the 2nd simplest atom. It has two protons in its nucleus and two electrons spinning around the nucleus. With helium though, we have to introduce another particle. Because the 2 protons in the nucleus have the same charge on them, they would tend to repel each other, and the nucleus would fall apart.

True, they do repel each other, as they try to be in the same place, at the same time, which, as I previously stated, is impossible.
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To keep the nucleus from pushing apart, helium has two neutrons in its nucleus. Neutrons have no electrical charge on them and act as a sort of nuclear glue, holding the protons, and thus the nucleus, together.

Wrong, neutrons do not act like glue. As positive energy is added to the nucleus, neutral energy is also added, which in turn attracts more negative energy to the electron cloud. These three energies are always balanced. Because you can’t add more energy in the “stadium” of space between the nucleus and the electron cloud, the extra neutral energy added, appears in the nucleus with the proton energy. Each point of energy within the nucleus is equal to the amount of neutral energy in the neutral “Giant Stadium” or wall that separates the nucleus from the outer electron cloud, which is also equal to the negative energy drawn to the electron cloud. The negative energy, which is stretched across the cosmos of space, pushing against the outer wall of neutral energy, compresses the nucleus.

You may see no information relevant to a scientific understanding of anything, Cool but I"m issuing a challenge to the Minds of Science to a debate, Smile all the way to 12/21/2012 Wink
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 11:18 pm
@Blackdranzer,
Gravity is basically some sort of an electrostatic dipole effect, and not a basic force of nature:

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=89xdcmfs
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 11:20 pm
@Fido,
I believe gravity is based on atmosphere. The vegetation and geology on earth creates the right amount of air and moisture.
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2012 11:22 pm
@Fido,
Fido wrote:

Blackdranzer wrote:

Electric field exists because of continous exchange of photons.....quark exchanges gluons contineously.....in nuclear force continous exchange of muons take place.....
---wat about gravity?...how does two masses interact?...
Just a guess, but of the forces there is not one called the nuclear force... There is the strong force, the weak force, electromagnetic force and gravity... Gravity supposedly involves the exchange of gravitons creating a large gravity wave, but my blind guess is that the highly discounted Ether which I expect are infinite neutral particle are excluded from matter which is all the time becoming more dense, and that the excluded neutral matter transmits the force at a distance as ether was once thought to do...

It is as if saying the speed of light in space, or a vacuum is faster, but that, if matter is excluded from the light bulb it is all the more certain that neutral matter would be theri exclusively which accounts for the increased speed... But; It has been years since I read physics, and I do not have the math back ground to really grasp much of what I have read...
"It contains no information relevant to a scientific understanding of anything", Confused and this does? Neutral

I,m not finding any honest debaters on my thread. Neutral
May I share my thought here? Smile

Big Bang or a Stretch of God's Imagination?

Imagine, if you will, an infinite moment of creation. The entire infinite universe begins; the illusion of space-time is created. A neutral force of the mind of creation begins to separate two forms of light, negative and positive. Instantly the entire infinite universe is hot from the creation and annihilation of these two energies. The two energies instantly begin to spin, negative and positive, with the neutral separating the two (quark confinement)? As the separation continues the point of positive energy spins positive, the negative spins around the positive, separated by an equal amount of neutral energy, gravity is created. The negative energy pushing against a wall of neutral energy, with a singularity of positive energy spinning in the center, the negative energy completely surrounds the outer wall of neutral energy.
What are to become the atoms is simultaneously pushed apart, and compressed together, by the pushing of the negative energy. As the energies separate across the universe, the atoms are gathered and compressed into the locations where the galaxies will form. The negative energy is stretched across the universe forming the fabric of the universe, the dark energy. This stretched, dark energy both separates and connects the energies of matter. It creates the energy cloud that surrounds the outer portion of the atom. What appears as an electron is the point of concentration of the dark energy within the energy cloud. This energy seems week because it is stretched across the emptiness of space.
The reason an electron, photon, neutron, etc. appears as a particle when observed is because, when in motion, it stretches into infinite mass across the dark energy, the fabric of the universe, the vastness of space, getting weaker as it is stretched. When these energies are observed, their motion is stopped at the point of observation, and the energy is concentrated into a single point to appear as particle.
The pushing of the dark energy against the energy within the atoms of matter would explain why the galaxies are moving away from each other.
The condensing of the energy of matter at the locations where future galaxies would form, would form giant gas clouds. These gas giants would eventually become so compressed; they would go into super nova, exploding matter and gas into space while the remainder of energy would implode leaving the black holes in the center of each new galaxy.
From this gas and matter stars are born.
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 05:56 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Gravity is basically some sort of an electrostatic dipole effect, and not a basic force of nature:

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=89xdcmfs
False; but all liars do say: Basically... The devil is in the details, and basically leaves out details...
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 06:57 am
@Fido,
Fido wrote:

gungasnake wrote:

Gravity is basically some sort of an electrostatic dipole effect, and not a basic force of nature:

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=89xdcmfs
False; but all liars do say: Basically... The devil is in the details, and basically leaves out details...
CONNECTING the DOTS that COVER the CANVAS, Smile YOU fail to SEE the POINT in the CENTER, Very Happy the PERIOD at the END of it ALL, Neutral the SINGULARITYthat IS, Cool TRUTH in RIGHTEOUSNESS. Wink
SEALED with a Keep It Simple Stupid. Laughing
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 08:24 am
@voiceindarkness,
An INFINITE SINGULARITYwithin, Smile a NEUTRAL REALITY without, Very Happy an eternal darkness... Cool beyond the MIND of UNDERSTANDING! Wink through the WORMHOLEof REALITY! Twisted Evil Laughing Cool
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 08:45 am
@voiceindarkness,
Through the looking glass... Cool
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 09:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I believe gravity is based on atmosphere. The vegetation and geology on earth creates the right amount of air and moisture.
Believe as you wish, but to say you believe is an admission of ignorance... Clearly, even stabile atoms cannot be thought of as stabile... It is hard to grasp considering the immense half lifes involved, but everything is radioactive, and all matter is in flux, becoming something other... This is easy to see in stars where the pressure and heat are in the process of turning hydrogen eventually to heavy elements like Iron and Uranium and Gold... It is more difficult to see that the same thing is happening in the furnace of the earth under the pressure considerably less than that of the stars... And that pressure is the result of gravity which becomes more intense the more dense is the matter in question... Considering that most matter is incredibly loose rather than dense, and that loose matter which is to say light matter like hydrogen also have the most energy to give up, and that most of the matter in the known universe is hydrogen plasma; you can well see how everything was named the firmament or the result of power... If it were possible to exhaust at once the energy of the cosmos, you might fit all the matter in the space of a tea cup, or shot glass, but since matter in motion is energy the concept of the matter without the energy is impossible to grasp... MY unsubstanciated guess is that much neutral matter is released as atoms fuse, but this neutral matter in some way accounts for the energy of every atom...In the typical model there are the protons, neutrons, and electron shell... What is there really to keep the positive protons from attracting the negative electrons??? You can talk of angular momentum, but the thing is not the cause of itself... What if the space itself, the neutral matter of that space- that by the standards of matter do not even rate as matter- have a potential to carry that charge at some angle to the proton mass and that the effects of gravity fusion is the loss of this potential energy in electronvolts, but also in the loss of neutral space... The effect would be that the more massive the object the more potential it would have to conduct gravitational force...

With large objects like stars going nova, gravity becomes unstable, and I think it is possible, given the ability of mass to bend space, for a massive object to fall away from itself...And again, without foundation in math, to suggest that mass could crack itself like an egg, and spred its contents all over the cosmos is more than a little crazy, and to explain what I think may happen trough words with no more evidence than insight is pointless... It is just that if some neutral matter is responsible for holding all matter together then the more dense matter would become the less gravity it would have internally, but it would still exert a powerful attraction to itself through the neutral matter ouside of it to every other point on the massive object... Think of it as the folding of a slinky back onto itself so that the ends touched... The force bent around the object of the slinky would be more than enough to propel it beyond its shape at rest...
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 09:23 am
@Fido,
The SINGULARITY WITHIN, Smile enlightens the NEUTRAL WITHOUT, Very Happy the STARSHINE Cool < ov the > DARKNESS Neutral < ov the > MIND... Wink
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 09:35 am
@voiceindarkness,
DARKNESS without, Smile the SINGULARITY within, Very Happy the NEUTRALITY Neutral of the IMAGINATION Cool .
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 10:30 am
@voiceindarkness,
There are bosons.

There are mesons.

And there's what attracted me to this thread: bogons, which create bogosity.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 11:22 am
@Fido,
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False...


Not really. There are several elephant-in-living-room type problems with what Albert Einstein had to say about gravity, which is aside from relativity itself generally coming unraveled in the space age. Einstein tried to describe gravity as a four-dimensional differential geometry thing, and he also claimed that information could not be passed around faster than C. Problems include:

  • Gravity propagates instantaneously according to all tests and all real evidence. Any time you take five steps you are sending a gravitational message out into the cosmos, much faster than C.
  • There is no way to start from Einsteins geometry thing and believe gravity ever could have changed on or near the surface of our own planet. Nonetheless it is an easy demonstration that it has and that the super animals of past ages would be crushed by their own weight in our present world.
  • There is no way to start with Einstein's definition and believe that gravity could be reduced in experiments involving rotating superconductors (the Podkletnov experiments). Eugene Podkletnov has gotten much more difficult to talk to under Putin since his work involved at least the possibility of gravity beam weapons which, unlike lasers, would not be affected by clouds or atmospheric conditions.


Again all of that is aside from other problems. You have Ron Hatch and other top GPS people now claiming that relativity is a bunch of bullshit, that GPS works entirely on Newtonian physics, and that it could not be made to work on Einsteinian/relativistic physics.
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Fri 10 Feb, 2012 12:01 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

There are bosons.

There are mesons.

And there's what attracted me to this thread: bogons, which create bogosity.
You will SEE the LIGHT at the end of the TUNNEL of DARKNESS of which there IS NO END through the LOCO MOTION of the MIND of REALITYas it passes through the MOUNTAIN of TRUTH and the DIVIDING < ov > THE MIND.

MAN has scaled the MOUNTAIN of their IGNORANCE, Neutral and stand PROUDLY Smile upon the PINNACLE Very Happy of STUPIDITY. Cool

 

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