I just don’t understand drinking and driving

@BillRM,

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And you pull your claims as how wonderful public appointed lawyers out of your rear end as I had not seen any links to any studies that would back up your claims!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are they law school graduates? Have they been admitted to the bar?

You are an elitist snob with double standards--a court appointed attorney is never as good or skillful an attorney as private counsel, people who earn money, and are therefore "useful citizens" in your book, should not be incarcerated even when they have violated criminal laws, etc.

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@BillRM,

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The mentally ill man who was acting in a very irrational manner right by a stream of traffic was not worth having a police officer look at him at least until he kill himself.

Right. It is not a crime to stand and yell at traffic.

You are a complete hypocrite. You are also illogical.

First you carry on about the big bad government arresting people, ever when they are justified in doing so, then you want to have people arrested when they haven't broken any laws.

Let me know when you decide to make sense. Laughing

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@DrewDad,

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So justice should be based on one's contribution to society?

(And is "useful citizen" just BillRM-speak for "income?")

Strange that we do not care enough to get such people treatment but we do care when they get themselves kill.

For a fraction of the cost it will cost society to lock up the driver we could had gotten the cyclist and a numbers of other mentally ill persons treatment so they would not be placing themselves in danger either from traffic or weather or whatever situation the mentally ill poor judgments result in .

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@firefly,

Bill's not really worried about personal freedom in any meaningful way. All he cares about are how things affect him.

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@firefly,

LOL sorry but lawyers who can demand 500 to a thousand dollars or more an hour because they had been practice for decades is likely to be far far far more skillful then someone who is paying his due by being a low pay public defender.

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@BillRM,

...Because the only people killed by drunk drivers are the paranoid schizophrenics.

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@BillRM,

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we could had gotten the cyclist and a numbers of other mentally ill persons treatment so they would not be placing themselves in danger either from traffic or weather or whatever situation the mentally ill poor judgments result in .

You have evidence that the cyclist was mentally ill?

We already have treatment available for the mentally ill, some decline using it. Are you arguing that we go back to forcing involuntary incarceration and treatment on the mentally ill? This is your idea of protecting people's civil rights? This is your idea of limiting government power over innocent citizens?

People place themselves in danger all the time--they certainly do when they drive drunk. Want to lock Thom up in a psych facility too?

You make no sense.

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@firefly,

[sarcasm]Well, obviously the cyclist deserved what he got, because everyone knows that the only people who should be allowed on the road at 2 AM are the drunks....

The drunks are supporting the economy by burning gasoline and buying drinks.

What the hell is that damn hippie on the bike contributing?[/sarcasm]

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@BillRM,

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LOL sorry but lawyers who can demand 500 to a thousand dollars or more an hour

That's not the average defense attorney in private practice.

Jose Baez, who was only admitted to the bar in 2005, did a pretty good job for Casey Anthony.

Public defenders also include experienced attorneys who do some pro bono work.

You are just an elitist snob.

Thom is represented by a fairly decent law firm. So the whole issue is irrelevant in this case.

You really do have trouble sticking to the issues in this particular case, don't you?

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@firefly,

Sorry but he should had been taken to a mental hospital and given treatment just like if he was having a heart attack right by the roadway.

If we do not care about their welfare enough to do so why do we care about their welfare when their irrational actions due to mental disease cause them to harm themselves or others?

It not a matter of criminal law it a matter of caring for our fellow humans when they can not care for themselves due to mental diseases.

But if you wish a legal reason yelling at cars and acting as he was acting is Disturbing the peace.

We only found the "right" for mentally incompetent persons to refused treatment after we decided that they was not worth spending the funds on.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry but he should had been taken to a mental hospital and given treatment just like if he was having a heart attack right by the roadway.

Are you talking about Thom? He was the obvious danger--he had been driving drunk, he hit someone and fatally injured him, and he didn't even stop his car. So, you feel they should have locked Thom in a mental hospital?

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But if you wish a legal reason yelling at cars and acting as he was acting is Disturbing the peace.

So you want to put a mentally ill man in jail for a few days for disturbing the peace? That's a good use of taxpayer's money? Whose peace was he disturbing beyond yours? Didn't he have the right to free speech?

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We only found the "right" for mentally incompetent persons to refused treatment after we decided that they was not worth spending the funds on.

It was part of the civil rights movement. The mentally ill had been deprived of appropriate civil rights and civil liberties prior to that time.

Civilly incarcerating those who have not violated any criminal laws truly comes close to the actions of a police state. They used to do that in soviet Russia. Now you are advocating a police state?

The more you talk, the more inconsistent, illogical, and hypocritical you sound.

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@firefly,

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That's not the average defense attorney in private practice.

Would you care to give a link on that claim that the average hourly rate is lower then 500 to a 1000 dollars an hour.

Oh **** I am going to give the real life examples in that my wife civil lawyer charge 500 hundreds dollars an hour and when a former coworker of mine sister and her husband was facing a Federal case their lawyer would not take the case without a 100,00 binder upfront.

But those are personal examples and Firefly I am sure you can give links that such rates and costs are not normal.

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@BillRM,

This is related to the topic of this thread how?

I'm not going to engage in every irrelevant issue you bring up, nor am I going to supply links so you can keep this discussion going. You get obsessed with these irrelevant issues and go on endlessly.

Thom has private attorneys. He must be paying them somehow.

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@firefly,

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So you want to put a mentally ill man in jail for a few days for disturbing the peace? That's a good use of taxpayer's money? Whose peace was he disturbing beyond yours? Didn't he have the right to free speech?

Lol from watching the reactions of the drivers going by I do not think I am the only one who peace was being disturb by the gentleman by the roadway,

Getting treatment for sick people seem to be will worth the price that is if you are a caring person and not part of the right wing GOP

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Civilly incarcerating those who have not violated any criminal laws truly comes close to the actions of a police state. Now you are advocating a police state?

Strange that concern did not matter in the case of a valuable person such as Britney Speer where the court cheerfully declare her incompetent and force treatment on her and turn control of her life over to her father control.

Years later he is still in control of her.

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@firefly,

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I'm not going to engage in every irrelevant issue you bring up, nor am I going to supply links so you can keep this discussion going. You get obsessed with these irrelevant issues and go on endlessly.

You make a statement that you can not back up so you run for the hills I love you dear.

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@BillRM,

In the American "justice" you need to have the buy in fee if you want to play.....that being a couple hundred grand to hire a competent lawyer and to pay his expenses. This is on top of the bail, which for Thom was $120,000.

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@BillRM,

Now you are talking about Britney Spears? Rolling Eyes

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Getting treatment for sick people seem to be will worth the price that is if you are a caring person

As a caring person, I suggest you go get treatment. You really have loosening of associations--that's a sign of a thought disorder. Get treatment, BillRM.

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Oh to those who live in the rest of the Western World how do you deal with your mentally ill that the US system do not treat but allow to walk the streets as homeless people?

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@hawkeye10,

Thom was able to post bail and to retain an attorney.

So, what other people can or cannot do isn't really relevant to the discussion.

Those with money can afford a lot more of everything than those without money.

But, since you have dismissed Barry Lancaster as a worthless bum, because he was seemingly homeless, we know you have no real concern for those who are indigent or might lack money.

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@firefly,

Britney Spears was not allow to become homeless and walk the street the courts was more then willing to aid her father in protecting her from herself.

So your claimed that mentally ill people had civil rights to destroy themselves only apply for poor people that no one care about.

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